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To: Qatar-6; Ranger
Qatar-6, you raise excellent points that need to be considered. Force protection has become a higher priority than mobility and nontechnical situational awareness. I am concerned that a perception is developing that it is cruel and unusual punishment to mount a soldier in an unarmored vehicle.

Please comment on Unfit for Combat Humvees need armor to give them a fighting chance

179 posted on 01/01/2004 11:49:14 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Thanks for the ping. Could you use your magic list and send this information out.

The O'Reilly Factor Radio show on Friday from 12-2 PM will discuss various topics including armored humvee production or lack thereof. Here is the way to find the station in your area with times along with a call in number. Given the excellent commentary on the FR threads on this topic, I'd love to see a wider audience involved. Unfortunately the military isn't commenting much on the topic and civilians can only carry the conversation so far. Perhaps in some manner we can get more uparmored humvees or other alternatives out the factory door and into iraq and save a few lives.

The show is rebroadcast at various times in syndication during the day. The website below can direct you to stations and times in your area if you are interested. http://www.billoreilly.com/stationfinder The call in number is 1-877-966-7746. (1-877-9-NOSPIN).

182 posted on 01/01/2004 12:33:04 PM PST by Ranger
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Bingo

The way to be safe is to have the ability to dismount quickly and maneuver against the ambush

Also to have everyone facing out looking trained to execute the reaction to contact battle drill

The best thing to do when you get hit is dismount and return fire, Not everyone will be in the kill zone, those guys who aren't dismount immediately and roll up the flank of the ambush

. The key thing is: MAINTAIN CONTACT, the little fucks have just exposed themselves. Your reaction forces are alerted and homing in, the longer you can keep them in contact the better the chance of them running into someone else when they finally break contact (if they ever manage to) or being killed captured on site.

It's hard to do all that from an armored Hummer.

Low intensity conflict like this is a contact sport and it's best played on foot

Bad guys aren't stupid (well... a few of them are) if they see a trucks with people facing out in every direction and long guns, looking alert, they'll probably wait for someone who to drive along who's brain's in neutral

It's never just a drive from point A to point B. People who think an Armored Hummer is the solution are kidding themselves. It's a limited use tool, that's all. All the best

Qatar-6

185 posted on 01/01/2004 1:30:58 PM PST by Qatar-6
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