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To: Bobibutu
All of you are entitled to your opinions, but you do not understand Islam or the culture we are dealing with. I am not going to get into a long debate this evening, but absolutely stand on the proposal and am willing to take the heat for it. We are either going to have to enforce a horrible solution to the killing of our soldiers or pull them all out. No middle ground remains. They are killing 2-3 of our people EVERY day and morale will collapse in a very short period of time.

It is time to do something rather unpleasant, but such is the nature of war. We had to do the same thing in Japan in World War II. Are you going to condemn Truman? Almost every man, woman, child and animal perished in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. It ended the war because they knew we meant business. No, I am not insane. Rather, I am a very determined individual. General Patton accurately stated,

"The purpose of war is not to die for your country. The purpose of war is to make the other poor bastard die for his."

Not a pretty philosophy...but the Axis were extremely afraid of Patton. They knew he meant business. If we are going to go to war, we need to put generals in charge who can win the fight and back them up. Or, we need to surrender or bring our troops home. Trying to apply liberal philosophy to war will eventually cause drastic losses.

14 posted on 11/23/2003 6:15:52 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
You are, most certainly, insane.
15 posted on 11/23/2003 6:19:10 PM PST by DefCon
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
""The purpose of war is not to die for your country. The purpose of war is to make the other poor bastard die for his.""

He was talking about ENEMY COMBATANTS not CIVILIAN Innocents.

Your thinking is way distorted.

And I have lived in Malaysia, Indonesia and Singapore and can relate with some authority as to Muslims and Islam.
16 posted on 11/23/2003 6:19:32 PM PST by Bobibutu
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
They are killing 2-3 of our people every day, and this compares to the Viet Nam War, when 50-60 were killed daily.

Or we can talk about the deaths during WWII, when we had HUNDREDS killed every day.

How old are you? Why are you posting such defeatist and Nazi-like trash? Do you not understand that your solution would guarantee the loss of Iraq? Do you not understand that your solution is ethically repugnant?

Get a grip. Toughen up. Pray for the troops and stand by the military, which is doing a great job under trying circumstances.

18 posted on 11/23/2003 6:22:01 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
All of you are entitled to your opinions, but you do not understand Islam or the culture we are dealing with.

Neither do you, apparently.

I am not going to get into a long debate this evening, but absolutely stand on the proposal and am willing to take the heat for it.

We are either going to have to enforce a horrible solution to the killing of our soldiers or pull them all out.

Actually, we won't.

No middle ground remains. They are killing 2-3 of our people EVERY day and morale will collapse in a very short period of time.

Gosh, I'm in touch daily with troops deployed in Iraq, walking patrols in various cities. They don't agree with you. Morale is not in any danger of collapsing.

It is time to do something rather unpleasant, but such is the nature of war. We had to do the same thing in Japan in World War II. Are you going to condemn Truman? Almost every man, woman, child and animal perished in Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

You, sir, are an ignorant fool. The death figures weren't even close to that.

It ended the war because they knew we meant business.

It convinced the Emperor to surrender, and the population followed his orders.

The situation on the ground is different. Saddam Hussein honestly doesn't care if a million of his people are killed, if it gets them to kill Americans at a faster rate than 2-3 per day. He would welcome your plan.

No, I am not insane.

I would like a second opinion.

Rather, I am a very determined individual.

Determined to do what? Convince the entire Iraqi population that we're going to kill them anyway, so they might as well die fighting?

In case you didn't know this, we're outnumbered something like 200-1.

General Patton accurately stated,

"The purpose of war is not to die for your country. The purpose of war is to make the other poor bastard die for his."

Actually, the purpose of war is to impose your nation's will upon another nation. We are succeeding at this.

Not a pretty philosophy...but the Axis were extremely afraid of Patton.

Because of his operational skill, not because of

They knew he meant business.

And if you proposed such behavior to him, he'd haul out one of his ivory-handled revolvers and shoot you right there.

If we are going to go to war, we need to put generals in charge who can win the fight and back them up.

We are winning.

Or, we need to surrender or bring our troops home.

You, sir, are a moral coward.

Trying to apply liberal philosophy to war will eventually cause drastic losses.

Let me know when we actually experience drastic losses, girly-man.

24 posted on 11/23/2003 6:25:54 PM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Are you Ok? This isn't like you.
This sort of action doesn't work.

Now I will agree that it's time our President made it clear to the House of Saud, that THEY had better get their house in order or see Mecca destroyed. And it should be put to them in that simple term. We CAN do it, and they must be convinced we WILL do it.
25 posted on 11/23/2003 6:26:51 PM PST by tet68
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
"We had to do the same thing in Japan in World WarII."

True...but don't think that Truman didn't ponder this before dropping the bombs. The people who are attacking our soldiers are the minority and the answer to these attacks is not to kill innocent people. We are better than that.

Killing innocent people could never be justified as collateral damage.
37 posted on 11/23/2003 6:34:45 PM PST by Arpege92
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
I am not going to get into a long debate this evening...

Translation: I see that I've posted something incredibly stupid and that everyone disagrees with me, so...

55 posted on 11/23/2003 6:54:36 PM PST by BlessedBeGod
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Contrary to Other "opinions;" you are "Correct."

We Either DESTROY our psychotic "adversaries," or we succumb.

WHATEVER we need to do to eradicate the Psychopaths who destroyed the Twin Towers is valid.

We are fighting a group of Suicidal/homicidal psychopaths. "Post 9/11," there are NO "Marquis of Queensbury Rules!!"

Apparently, the "Liberal Media" are UNAWARE of the Gravity of our Struggle. WE (WESTERN CIVILIZATION) are Fighting for OUR VERY EXISTENCE!!

One Thousand Years Hence, the decisions we make will dictate "Human History."

If we "Capitulate to" the psychopathic Terrorists who are now attacking us, our children will be their "slaves."

Whatever you think of "W;" he & His People understand the consequences of capitulation to the psychotic Murders who now threaten us.

We "Stand Now," or we "Bow for Ever After!!"

Doc

66 posted on 11/23/2003 7:20:10 PM PST by Doc On The Bay
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