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Expanded Patriot Act Reach Would Hit The Net, Too
AVNonline ^ | November 25, 2003 | Charles Farrar

Posted on 11/26/2003 2:51:21 PM PST by Revel

Expanded Patriot Act Reach Would Hit The Net, Too Charles Farrar

November 25, 2003

WASHINGTON - A bill approved by Congress last week to extend the reach of the Patriot Act would expand the FBI's business document and transaction power to cyberspace stations like eBay, Internet logs, and Internet service providers, and without requiring a judge's approval.

It's part of the new bill's redefinition of the term "financial institution" and "financial transaction," according to Wired, and allows the FBI to get such records by handing itself a national security letter saying those records are relevant to a terrorism investigation.

"The FBI doesn't need to show probable cause or consult a judge," the magazine said. "What's more, the target institution is issued a gag order and kept from revealing the subpoena's existence to anyone, including the subject of the investigation."

This bill follows a stalled attempt earlier this year by the Justice Department to write and push the so-called "Patriot II" act, but a leak of the draft provoked such an outcry that the department backed away from that proposal, but Wired said the newly passed bill involves one of Patriot II's most controversial aspects.

According to Duke University law professor Chris Schroeder, that shows those who wanted to expand the FBI's powers didn't want to stop despite the hoopla over Patriot II. "They are going to insert these provisions on a stealth basis," Schroeder told Wired. "It's insidious."

He has an ally in the Center for Democracy and Technology's executive director, James X. Dempsey. "On its face, it's a cryptic and seemingly innocuous amendment," he told the magazine. "It wasn't until after it passed both houses that we saw it. The FBI andd CIA like to try to graft things like this into intelligence bills."

But don't tell those things to House Intelligence Committee chairman Porter Goss (R-Florida), who calls the new definitions of financial institutions and financial transactions bringing them up to date "with the reality of the financial industry. This provision," Goss said in a House floor speech, "will allow those tracking terrorists and spies to 'follow the money' more effectively and thereby protect the people of the United States more effectively."

Protect them from what - strip clubs? The current issue of Newsweek, which hit the stands Nov. 24, includes a report saying that a little-enough known Patriot Act portion already redefined "money laundering" to the point where the FBI is suspected of using it to investigate anyone it pleases on pretexts having little to do with terrorism investigations.

A recent case nicknamed Operation G-String, in fact, found the FBI using the money laundering provision to investigate whether the owner of a Las Vegas adult club was trying to bribe top city officials. They used it to look at all the financial records of those officials, Newsweek said. And that isn't all, potentially.

"Treasury Department figures - show that this year the Feds have used the Patriot Act to conduct searches on 962 suspects, yielding ‘hits’ on 6,397 financial records," the magazine said announcing the Nov. 24 issue. "Of those, two thirds (4,261) were in money-laundering cases with no terror connection. Among the agencies making requests, Newsweek has learned, were the IRS (which investigates tax fraud), the Postal Service (postal fraud) and the Secret Service (counterfeiting). One request came from the Agriculture Department -- a case that apparently involved food stamp fraud."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: patriot; patriotact; privacy

1 posted on 11/26/2003 2:51:21 PM PST by Revel
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To: Revel
One of the greatest statesmen of our time and a true national treasure is trying to fight this abuse. http://www.bobbarr.org/
2 posted on 11/26/2003 3:08:19 PM PST by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA
Careful..you might make the list!

Privacy is a major concern and this sort of thing needs to be scrutinized by the people.
But I must admit that I have a hard time interpreting all the legalease in these proposals.
We need to ensure that any powers given during this time of duress are not permanent.
3 posted on 11/26/2003 3:14:39 PM PST by mylife
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To: SUSSA
Bob is a good man....And he has been a good friend to free republic. He was there during the march for justice when FR was not so well known. It has amazed me to see him trashed by far too many here at FR. Attacks against good people have led to a slowdown in any forward progress such as that made during the march for justice. Thankfully, I have witnessed that JR still calls Bob a good man. If FR could get beyond this party thing and go back to principles then we would be able to help those like Bob Barr who love there country for what it stands for and wants to keep it that way.
4 posted on 11/26/2003 3:20:43 PM PST by Revel
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To: Revel
If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

And anyone expressing any concern should be thouroughly investigated, of course.

5 posted on 11/26/2003 3:26:01 PM PST by templar
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To: mylife
"Careful..you might make the list!"

I think you hit the nail on the head! I have to admitt that even I am afraid that something I say might "get me on the list". That is what it has come down to. We are all so full of fear that we dare not open our mouths except to go along. Sounds like a book I once read....Wait it sounds like Comunist country I once heard about. Oh whats the use. This is just one of my rare flash backs. I pretty much resigned to fact a while back that it is pointless to try to change it.
6 posted on 11/26/2003 3:28:04 PM PST by Revel
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To: Revel
"expand the FBI's business document and transaction power to cyberspace stations like eBay, Internet logs, and Internet service providers... It's part of the new bill's redefinition of the term "financial institution" and "financial transaction," according to Wired"
Here is the ACTUAL list of the financial institutions subject to these national security letters: TITLE 31 > SUBTITLE IV > CHAPTER 53 > SUBCHAPTER II > Sec. 5312.

Nope, ISPs and "internet logs" are not listed.

But who cares what the facts are? Everybody have a two-minute hate-rant now. All together! Hey join in now, aren't you a good citizen?

7 posted on 11/26/2003 3:32:11 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: templar
"And anyone expressing any concern should be thouroughly investigated, of course."

I don't know. You sound like a pretty scary person to me.
8 posted on 11/26/2003 3:33:41 PM PST by Revel
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To: mrsmith
From the wired article linked in the main text. I would be interested in seeing if the statement below is true:

"The new provision in the spending bill redefines the meaning of "financial institution" and "financial transaction." The wider
definition explicitly includes insurance companies, real estate agents, the U.S. Postal Service, travel agencies, casinos, pawn
shops, ISPs, car dealers and any other business whose "cash transactions have a high degree of usefulness in criminal, tax or
regulatory matters."
9 posted on 11/26/2003 3:39:21 PM PST by Revel
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To: Revel
Ah ha! That is the only part of the wired article which IS substantially true!

As you can see from my link above.

One caveat: "any other business whose "cash transactions have a high degree of usefulness in criminal, tax or regulatory matters." ... is not quite correct.

"any other business designated by the Secretary whose cash transactions have a high degree of usefulness in criminal, tax, or regulatory matters. " is the full quote.


The author's, and the "Wired" author's, attempt to misrepresent the bill is bizarre IMHO.
It's just not an internet-related law except that affected institutions use the internet. I suppose Ebay might qualify under the law- I think they sell cars.

10 posted on 11/26/2003 3:51:50 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: Revel
I don't know. You sound like a pretty scary person to me.

And here I was, trying so hard to seem completely mild mannered and meek. ;)

11 posted on 11/26/2003 4:01:10 PM PST by templar
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To: Revel
From the link above:
(F)

a thrift institution;

(G)

a broker or dealer registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 (15 U.S.C. 78a et seq.);

(H)

a broker or dealer in securities or commodities;

(I)

an investment banker or investment company;

(J)

a currency exchange;

(K)

an issuer, redeemer, or cashier of travelers' checks, checks, money orders, or similar instruments;

(L)

an operator of a credit card system;

(M)

an insurance company;

(N)

a dealer in precious metals, stones, or jewels;

(O)

a pawnbroker;

(P)

a loan or finance company;

(Q)

a travel agency;

(R)

a licensed sender of money;

(S)

a telegraph company;

(T)

a business engaged in vehicle sales, including automobile, airplane, and boat sales;

(U)

persons involved in real estate closings and settlements;

(V)

the United States Postal Service;

(W)

an agency of the United States Government or of a State or local government carrying out a duty or power of a business described in this paragraph;

(X)

a casino, gambling casino, or gaming establishment with an annual gaming revenue of more than $1,000,000 which -

(i)

is licensed as a casino, gambling casino, or gaming establishment under the laws of any State or any political subdivision of any State; or

(ii)

is an Indian gaming operation conducted under or pursuant to the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act other than an operation which is limited to class I gaming (as defined in section 4(6) of such Act);

(Y)

any business or agency which engages in any activity which the Secretary of the Treasury determines, by regulation, to be an activity which is similar to, related to, or a substitute for any activity in which any business described in this paragraph is authorized to engage; or

(Z)

any other business designated by the Secretary whose cash transactions have a high degree of usefulness in criminal, tax, or regulatory matters.

*******

Note that "any other business designated by the Secratary . . ." There is no provision for oversite by a court or anyone else.

Also note in "I" it lists "an investment company;" almost any business can be an investment company. Over the years almost every business I owned was owned by the investment company I set up. Under this law, the hot dog stands I used to own were a financial institution.

Click on the link and see for yourself.
12 posted on 11/26/2003 4:03:55 PM PST by SUSSA
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To: mrsmith
But who cares what the facts are?

"(Y) any business or agency which engages in any activity which the Secretary of the Treasury determines, by regulation, to be an activity which is similar to, related to, or a substitute for any activity in which any business described in this paragraph is authorized to engage; or
(Z) any other business designated by the Secretary whose cash transactions have a high degree of usefulness in criminal, tax, or regulatory matters. "

This would seem to include anybody or anything the government wants it to include. Aty least, I don't see any limitations placed on whom it might include.

Oh yeah, anyone dealing with gold, jewels, etc. seems to be suspect now as well.

13 posted on 11/26/2003 4:09:58 PM PST by templar
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To: mrsmith
Well I don't like it when an article changes the text of a law.(as you pointed out) It is hard to trust them after they do that. I suppose that the law is rather vauge though. It could be twisted to cover just about anything and go after someone with no terrorist desires at all. Maybe just a political view that is not desired. All they have to do is say that such a political view is suppicious and could be that of a terroist. I thought that section Z of the law could be taken in many ways. The US post office is listed twice in reality since they also sell money orders.
14 posted on 11/26/2003 4:14:01 PM PST by Revel
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To: templar
I have a geologist friend that buys and sells rocks and minerals. They can be made into neat things like neck louse's and even Chess sets. He is definitely covered.
15 posted on 11/26/2003 4:18:15 PM PST by Revel
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To: Revel
Here's what the people who wrote the law had to say about it:

"Section 374 is similar to both Section 354 of the Senate amendment and to Section 334 of the House bill. Section 374 of the Conference Report expands the definition of ``financial institution'' for purposes of section-1 114 of the Right to Financial Privacy Act (12 U.S.C. 3414 (RFPA). It provides enhanced authority for authorized Intelligence Community collection activities designed to prevent, deter, and disrupt terrorism and espionage directed against the U.S. and to enhance foreign intelligence efforts.

The Conferees believe this new definition is necessary for effective counterintelligence, foreign intelligence, and international terrorism operations of the United States. Section 1114 currently permits U.S. Government authorities engaged in counterintelligence or foreign intelligence activities to use ``National Security Letters,'' approved by a senior government official, to obtain certain financial records from defined ``financial institutions.'' The definition of ``financial institution'' in the RFPA has been essentially unmodified since the RFPA became law in 1978. This amendment updates the definition to include those entities that today provide financial services to individuals, but would not be covered by the current definition. Financial records maintained by these entities are not currently covered by the RFPA and, thus, are not accessible by intelligence elements of the United States Government using this authority. In order to expand the definition of ``financial institution'' for purposes only of section 1114, this subsection adopts, in part, the definition of ``financial institution'' found in section 5312 (a) (2) of Title 31, United States Code. It is important to highlight that this definition also is consistent with the definition used in section 804(5) of the Counterintelligence and Security Enhancements Act of 1994 (50 U.S.C. 438).

The Conferees intend that this authority be used for accessing records and information from financial institutions for counterintelligence, foreign intelligence, and international terrorism investigations. The Conferees note, with approval, the significant actions of the U.S. Government in tracking terrorist finances. The Conferees believe that the authority granted by this section will enhance the Government's efforts in this regard. This provision allows the U.S. Government to have, through use of ``National Security Letters,'' greater access to a larger universe of information that goes beyond traditional financial records, but is nonetheless crucial in tracking terrorist finances or espionage activities. The Conferees understand that this authority should be used for accessing records and information for the purposes of identifying an individual's financial relationship with the specified financial institutions."

I believe from "The Conferees intend that this authority be used for accessing records and information from financial institutions for counterintelligence, foreign intelligence, and international terrorism investigations. " that this is only available for investigations of agents of foreign powers. But honestly I haven't studied it enough to say for sure.

16 posted on 11/26/2003 4:40:44 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: Revel
Great. Terrorists used the internet to communicate with each other and to send messages. They're still using it today.

Law Enforcement should have whatever tools it needs to find the Al Qaeda cells and murderers and stop them before another 9/11 happens.

Those who are afraid John Ashcroft cares whether or not they log onto "panties.com" or some other garbage are being silly. And those who use the high minded language of "political speech" being tracked, well, the government can just as easily track your political affiliations by looking at your monetary donations and other behaviours.

Finally, nothing is stopping a corrupt administration official (Janet Reno) from behaving in an illegal manner anyway--so the sanction of law for this activity will merely permit a non-corrupt administration (Bush II) to do a better job finding terrorists.

17 posted on 11/26/2003 5:10:22 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Revel
Tin Foil on an Locked! As we all know America is a controlled society;perhaps (THE) most controlled and suvrveiled group of individuals in all history. It requires very little imagination for you to see where its all headed! One day when it has reached a point of no return all lists will be recalled and and everything you have said or spoken out on will earn you a one way trip to places especially prepared for those of us who dare to dissent or disagree with the elevated masters! Our Freedom and Liberty demands that we do not remain silent because we are the majority; we just don't act it out. Its too easy to be the victim these days and as long as this remains the way we are it is a forgone conclusion of factual information that we will vanish just like in the Rapture, gone without a trace! Tinfoil Off and stored!
18 posted on 11/26/2003 5:40:13 PM PST by winker
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To: templar
Oh yeah, anyone dealing with gold, jewels, etc. seems to be suspect now as well.

Hmmm... sounds like that puts the hook on hookers too... cuz they're always fiddlin' around with Family Jewels !!! ;-))

19 posted on 11/26/2003 6:27:50 PM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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