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To: PeteFromMontana; joanie-f; snopercod
Is the toilet seat up or down? Up or down?

"There I was, minding my own business," she said, "when 'out of the blue,' he ..."

If there are truly solid, not Ph.D.-guesstimated, indications of trouble, and the woman in unaware, why is she so unaware?

I have a friend who has for many years flirted on the edge of it. She's completely aware of the danger, but two things are in her way --- and neither is the husband.

First, she likes the money, the income.

Second, she ignores the danger.

I cannot generalize on that basis, alone, but I have seen other women hanging around dangerous men.

Those women do it because of their need for security in the "home life of their youth;" whether or not they really had love in the home in which they grew up, they want to return to the security --- no matter how threatening --- and thus they marry somebody who drinks, "like daddy did."

Those women also are dreamers in the sense that they position the man in their life, within the realm of the dreams they have, the hopes they have, instead of facing him and learning and admitting to themselves, who he is.

Who is this person? How many people, man or woman, ask that and seek to know ... before they get hitched?

Then comes the phone call from the security detail at some shopping mall, the high-class store, and "Do you know that your husband shops here and for the umpteenth time, he has bounced two credit cards before writing a check that has, again, bounced?"

"No, I did not know that," she said; but she went on with him.

I'm not talking about the kind of men that the Ph.D. wants all women to get into a panic about --- namely every guy out there who drops his tool bag with a loud "CRASH!" ... and then the woman streaks off to said Ph.D., hysterically shrieking about "THE SIGNS!"

Nope.

I'm talking about the male shark, such as Bill Clinton, and his kind; the real cold-hearted ego-centric black holes that suck up all the love around them.

Bill married Hillary because she is a bigger tyrant than he is --- he knew that he was safe with her, that when his temper went awry, he would be no threat to her greater ego. Therein, two deadly people who know each other well enough to be left alone in the same room, while all apearances are that they are "a couple."

I'm talkin' about the couples where only one of the two, has that monstrous ego. When the other half either ignores it, misunderstands it, or thinks that he/she can somehow control it ... because he/she is smart enough, or crazy (tragically unaware) enough to try and live that way.

Well, sorry for the explanation taking up so much space, but I do not think that the professors in the above study, are really interested in discovering the truly dangerous man. Because the story has various signs of only trying to cause women to be afraid of the unknown.

While on the other hand, I'm claiming that a woman not only does not have to live in fear, but she can dare to study the men around her, and instead of being coy or trying to manage who does, and who does not, come near her (and "in her space"), she wisely studies men, and the men around her, and the man in her life.

To get to know, men in some dimensions other than the fantasy twirling in the woman's head.

Because foremost, women should learn to understand a man's strengths and the discipline pertaining thereto, lest women ignorantly assign all the categories of a man's behavior, into the lump sum of "Oh! That's violent and 'meanspirited'" and then she calls her shrink on the cell phone while negotiating a left turn away from the curb in rush hour traffic, a cigarette pinched between the fingers of the hand that has the palm that is pressing on the steering wheel but cannot negotiate getting by the rear bumper of the car just ahead of her's, while her left front corner is jutting out into traffic ... and this is taking ten minutes for her because she will not put down the cell phone, because she's in a big hurry to get home by 4:00 P.M. and watch Oprah and all the ladies in the audience who will surely nod their heads up and down several times through the show.

By all means, women are indeed a risk --- because they do not focus on what is really going on around them, most of which, is in which, they are are participating, but they should not like to accept the personal accountability and responsibility.

So they go to bed goo-goo eyed and wake up wondering who is in bed with them, and did she want to "sleep with this guy" or not, in which case, should she place another cell phone call, but to Gloria Allred?

I sure do long for women of uncommon valor, the kind that American women seemed to once have, quite in common, but that, has been skewered by our societal-engineering managers in Ph.D. clothing, the "liberal media," and the Democrat Party ... not to mention that State wherein its Supreme Court just decided that Abigail Adams was in complete disagreement with here husband's views regarding "same sex marriage."

Beam me up, Mr. Trafficant.

5 posted on 11/28/2003 11:53:58 AM PST by First_Salute (God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: First_Salute
Headline should read: Many desperate women ignore warnings of threatening relationships. Many women think just because they want a man to be a certain way , they have the right to manipulate that man until he explodes.
9 posted on 11/28/2003 12:09:50 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross
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To: First_Salute
I sure do long for women of uncommon valor, the kind that American women seemed to once have, quite in common, but that, has been skewered by our societal-engineering managers in Ph.D. clothing, the "liberal media," and the Democrat Party .... First Salute

Agreed (heartily).

First of all, without even attempting to dispute the assertions here, what kind of ‘research report’ is conducted by interviewing thirty women? What kind of scientific procedure is that? (My instincts tell me that the margin of error would probably be in the vicinity of +/- 100%).

So, right off the bat, let’s acknowledge that this report is a sterling example of junk science.

My best guess (could be wrong, but I’m guessing not): Ms. McCook, Ms. Nicolaidis, and Ms. Elliot (the three experts quoted in this article) knew what the conclusions of, and recommendations from, this study were going to be long before the study was performed. It was just a matter of seeking out (a grand total of) thirty women whose stories would support their agenda-driven conclusions.

Yes, there are men who are abusive toward women. And there are women who are abusive toward men. And men who are abusive toward other men. And women who are abusive toward other women. And abuse takes many forms. It need not be physical.

There are also left-leaning elitists who believe they know what is best for the rest of us: namely a nanny state in which no one is capable of taking care of himself/herself without the interference of (preferably state-appointed) experts; where marriage and the nuclear family are a hindrance; where villages, not families, nurture children; and where gender roles must be redefined so as to emasculate men and masculinize women.

The conclusion of this study?: Curricula on domestic violence should be revised to reflect these findings.

Curricula? We are encouraging a state-run (or at least state-supported) department of domestic violence education. And we are suggesting a change in the ‘curricula’ based on a ‘study’ of thirty women who didn’t leave after their first beating.

Yes, women are sometimes victims at the hands of men. That is an abomination. But women (general) are not victims of men (general). And it is ‘studies’ like this one, and experts like these, who have been attempting for decades (and succeeding, on a gradient) to convince us of generalized feminine victimhood.

Were I ever a victim of, let’s say a rape, would I change my view of who I am for the rest of my life? Would I place all men in the same brutal, ugly category as my rapist? Or would I pick myself up, and say to myself, ‘I will not allow one depraved human being to color black even one small corner of the rest of my life …. and I thank God that 99.99% of men are nothing like the creature who did this to me. God (please) damn him, and God bless the rest of them.’

It’s time for the American woman to take the first sign of abuse as an indication of things to come and get herself as far from its source as possible. And it’s time for the American woman to stop listening to those experts who seek to tell her that all men are innately evil and oppressive, to one degree or another; that being a wife and mother is stifling; and that dependence on the system will make it all right.

This report doesn’t actually say those things. But read between the lines. And do a study of how many articles are written, and how many studies are performed, regarding the abusive/oppressive/controlling behavior of men vs. the same for women. And then ask yourself, ‘Exactly who in this society is gender biased?’

It is the insidious growth of the system that is killing us all.

~ joanie

87 posted on 11/28/2003 8:06:02 PM PST by joanie-f (Never try to walk across a river just because it has an average depth of four feet.)
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