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EU challenges Putin (Fourth Reich on move alert!)
Russian journal ^ | November 28, 2003

Posted on 11/30/2003 7:17:33 PM PST by RussianConservative

The European Union is squeezing Russia out of the former Soviet republics. As a result, Russia might have to fight a war on its territory, again

The European Union has 'officially' admitted that Brussels was behind the breakdown of Russia's plan to settle the Transnistria-Moldova conflict. The Council of Europe issued a statement on Thursday quoting a conversation between Council of Europe Secretary General Walter Schwimmer and Moldovan President Vladimir Voronin. Mr. Schwimmer thanked Mr. Voronin for his "responsible" decision to reject Moscow's plan to settle the Transnistria-Moldova conflict. According to this plan, Russian troops would remain in the region until 2020. Russia suggested that Moldova should be transformed into the Federative Republic of Moldova, which would include Moldova, Transnistria and Gagauzia. A Russian military contingent would ensure peace in the republic. The peace plan was approved by Moldova and Transnistria. However, Moldovan President Voronin refused to sign it at the last moment, under pressure from the European Union and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). Meanwhile, the EU is going to send troops to Moldova. According to analysts, the European Union, which has not yet 'digested' the former members of the Warsaw pact, is seeking to squeeze Russia out of the former Soviet republics. Next on the list are Ukraine, Belarus, the Caucasian and Central Asian republics. This expansionist policy could result in a new military conflict between Russia and Europe.

The Russian delegation at the peace talks in Moldova was headed by Dmitry Kozak, Deputy Chief of Staff to the Russian President. Mr. Kozak was shuttling between Kishinev and Tiraspol (capital of Transnistria) for a week, trying to bring the conflicting positions together. On Monday, the Russia-sponsored peace plan was approved by Moldova and Transnistria. The Presidential Administration started preparing Vladimir Putin's visit to Moldova, which was scheduled for Tuesday. Valuable gifts were prepared for Moldovan and Transnistrian officials, and reports appeared that Russia would write off hundreds of millions of dollars owed to it by Moldova. However, the visit was cancelled at the last moment. OSCE President Jaap de Hoop Scheffer called Mr. Voronin on Monday evening. On Tuesday morning, the Moldovan leader issued a statement saying that the plan should first be coordinated with the EU. "Our course for European integration implies that the plan should be approved by European organizations, in the first place, the OSCE," it is said in the statement.

Apparently, Moscow was placed in a very awkward position. Mr. Kozak issued a strongly worded statement, accusing Moldovan authorities of short-sightedness and yielding to pressure from the West. "This is a very unpleasant event for Russia," says Dmitry Trenin of Moscow Carnegie Center. "It raises the issue of the West's policy on post-Soviet space. In fact, the plan approved by President Putin was obstructed. In its turn, Moscow sees the actions of the West and the EU in Moldova as directed against Russia's interests," he added. Indeed, EU officials have repeatedly stated Brussels' intention of sending troops to Moldova, and insisted on the withdrawal of the Russian military contingent from Transnistria.

According to experts, the EU's move is nothing other than preparations for a possible military conflict with Russia, which will be difficult to avoid, given Europe's expansionist policy. "Both the European Union, especially the German-French bloc, and the US are preparing for a future war for the hydrocarbon resources of the Caspian region and Central Asia," said Alexander Sobyanin, head of strategic planning at the Border Cooperation Association. So far, the fight for the former Soviet republics was fought "by civilized methods and on the diplomatic front". In this way, Russia is being squeezed out of Moldova, Ukraine and Belarus. Brussels actively supports the national opposition to the regimes of Leonid Kuchma and Alexander Lukashenko, creating a pro-European elite.

However, the situation could change dramatically in several years. "If the Europeans fail to get Kiev and Minsk into the orbit of their influence, they will take tougher measures, such as anti-government coups. After that, 'at the request of the people' and 'to ensure security', they will send their troops" to the republics, a former security official told RBC. If this happens, Moscow will be unable to stand aside. "The presence of European troops in the immediate vicinity of Russia poses a serious threat to national security," he said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; Government; Miscellaneous; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: eu; evil; fourthreich; moldova; russia; war
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Well, maybe with no oil they walk to Moldovia....soon is winter and it can be very very cold.
1 posted on 11/30/2003 7:17:33 PM PST by RussianConservative
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To: RussianConservative
Also, OPEC Oil cartel and Russia on the verge of a cold war
2 posted on 11/30/2003 7:20:35 PM PST by Consort
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To: RussianConservative
This is hugh!

And series!
3 posted on 11/30/2003 7:20:54 PM PST by Momaw Nadon (The mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work unless it's open.)
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To: Pubbie; FormerLib; MarMema; RusIvan
bump let everyone know, WW4 prepositioning...will US stand with Russia against Germanics again? Or will US back world Socialists of Facist EU?
4 posted on 11/30/2003 7:20:56 PM PST by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: RussianConservative
Why do you think we would support Germany?

The Republicans hate the EU more than The Saudis.
5 posted on 11/30/2003 7:23:04 PM PST by Pubbie (Go Ross! Go! - Perot In '04!)
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To: RussianConservative
It gets cold without natural gas also. But the author should not equate the EU with the US. The two have very different interests, in fact, almost opposite.
6 posted on 11/30/2003 7:23:32 PM PST by Arkinsaw (What LSU game? Huh? No idea what you are talking about.)
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To: RussianConservative
Gee, that's a difficult question. Lets see, the Russians are fighting the same enemy in Chechnya as is the U.S. in Afghanistan and Iraq, while the EU is opposing both Russia and the U.S...
7 posted on 11/30/2003 7:23:37 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: RussianConservative
It's early -- not even 7 AM yet in Moscow.
8 posted on 11/30/2003 7:23:53 PM PST by Desert88
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To: RussianConservative
The Euros had better be extremely careful. They can push the United States out of Europe, and they can push Russia out of the former Soviet states, but if they try to do both at once, they may find themselves confronting Russia without our help.

I don't think they are prepared to do that, with their blow-dried marching bands and all. The only serious forces over there (other than ours) belong to England and France, and I doubt whether they are up to stopping the Russian army in Eastern Europe without U.S. help.
9 posted on 11/30/2003 7:28:47 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: RussianConservative
WW4 prepositioning...will US stand with Russia against Germanics again? Or will US back world Socialists of Facist EU?

Bloody Europeans. Always doing their damnedest to repeat history. Given the declining state of the EU economy, particularly France and Germany, it may be just the distraction they are looking for. Of course, they would have to seriously beef up their military if they want to have a prayer when the balloon goes up. I seriously can't see the US volunteering ourselves into that mess, particularly considering how much we just love the idiots in the EU. I imagine that we would almost be rooting for Brussels to get jacked.

11 posted on 11/30/2003 7:31:20 PM PST by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: RussianConservative
WW4 prepositioning...will US stand with Russia against Germanics again?

Let's not get distracted; the enemy of the moment is Islam -- errrr, I mean radical Islam -- and its state sponsors. The positioning revolves primarily around that conflict, not the Russia/EU one.

12 posted on 11/30/2003 7:33:37 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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And the Europeans say that America has an expansionist policy, and are building an empire. Europe from the looks of it is about to start the Third World War, not only that its underming a peace process that it has no business in.

This is hypocracy, and the complain when we go liberate a nation.

I hope the EU falls under their own arogance.

This article should be sent to the news, like Fox News... say Hannity and Colms?
13 posted on 11/30/2003 7:38:00 PM PST by Veritas01 (Veritas)
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This is another case (like the break-up of Yugoslavia) where the EUnuchs are risking stirring up a hornets nest with neither the will nor the means to do anything about it.

The notion that the EU is a "military" threat to Russia is rather ludicrous.

I think the Russian Army (even in its preset condition) could dispatch the handful of marching band companies the EU could dispatch to Moldova.

On the other hand, Putin seems bent on restablishing Russia's imperial control over the "near abroad" as you guys call it. This is something that might be relatively unopposed in Bielorussia or some of the Central Asian republics, but I think the Ukraine will be a much harder nut to crack, since the Western Ukrainians will violently resist any re-incorportation into a new Russian Empire and they will be assisted by the Poles, who have never really reconciled to the loss of Lvov, etc., and certainly have no desire to have another border with Russia.

14 posted on 11/30/2003 7:38:58 PM PST by pierrem15
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To: pierrem15
preset=present
15 posted on 11/30/2003 7:39:21 PM PST by pierrem15
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To: BabaOreally
US elite call for Russia’s expulsion from G8 (US congressmen 5th columnists for socialists)
16 posted on 11/30/2003 7:40:44 PM PST by concerned about politics ( "Satire". It's Just "Satire.".......So it is.)
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To: RussianConservative
What do you think should happen? What could we do? What should Putin do?
17 posted on 11/30/2003 7:45:29 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: RussianConservative
...EU's move is nothing other than preparations for a possible military conflict with Russia...

Now that would be interesting war! The level of military ineptitude on par with the Iraq-Iran war. Would likely be a protracted blood-bath.

18 posted on 11/30/2003 7:47:11 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: RussianConservative
I think it is pretty safe to say that we wont be siding with the European Socialist Republic this round.

However, look to your south. Islamic regimes already side with the eurosocialists and your back door is wide open to fanatic jihadi death cultists.

Europe is heading for a very big fall economically. While trying to retain a capitalistic system they indroduced socialist programs that were unsustainable in any way.

Thier social engineering is coming apart very quickly much in the same way that the former soviet union came apart. Except, in the case of the soviet union they were 100% socialist and the introduced reforms of capitalist ideas accelerated the transition to freedom.

The EU is being accelerated to socialism FROM capitalism, add in rising anti-semitism, anti-americanism, a growing islamofacist population and the desire for more healthy, free, capitalistic states to help support and prop up thier failing socialist agenda via EU expansion and its easy to see that unless they do get those economically healthy, emerging
states to join, that they will be very dire straits, neccesitating armed expansionism.

Think about this, France and Germany have serious, very serious economic problems. These problems have multiplied since the US went into Iraq and cut off the flow of oil money to those euro regimes.

Iraq was propping up the economies of France and Germany with the full knowledge of Kofi Annan and the UN bigwigs.

Thats the reason they were so against the war. Nothing else.
19 posted on 11/30/2003 7:49:59 PM PST by Stopislamnow
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To: Desert88
Yup, soon gotta go to work, nice long day too.
20 posted on 11/30/2003 7:56:28 PM PST by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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