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How Europe Gets Bush Wrong
Time Magazine ^ | November 23, 2003 | Michael Elliott

Posted on 11/30/2003 10:19:54 PM PST by RWR8189

History may be their influence, but European Bush-bashers should look past their assumptions

"Why do they hate you, Mr. President?" asked Nick Robinson, the political editor of Britain's ITV News, at a press conference in London last week. "I don't know that they do," the President replied. But I fear he's too optimistic. There is something about Bush that just gets under the skin of Europeans.

But why? Start with the obvious: the dislike of Bush is the repayment, with interest, of an old slight. Bush and his closest advisers were dismissive of Europe from the start. After spats over global warming and the International Criminal Court, the Administration rebuffed NATO members who pledged their support to the U.S. following Sept. 11, 2001. Other slurs followed, like Bush's sneer at the American reporter who dared ask the French President a question in French. None of that made Bush loved. Now many Europeans simply doubt that his commitment to democracy in the Middle East is genuine and cannot fathom why the U.S. does not lean harder on Israel to secure a lasting peace.

I suspect, however, that there are more fundamental factors at work. Bush reminds Europeans of the dark angels of their past. He is a conviction politician, a man who knows what he thinks and couldn't care two hoots for what he doesn't know. But after its blood-drenched flirtation with fascism and communism, Europe distrusts such certainty. Remember: Margaret Thatcher, another conviction politician, was hated—really, truly hated—by half of Britain. Bush is religiously devout, and that too calls up troubling spirits from Europe's vasty deep. Not all Europeans are godless heathens nor all Americans washed in the blood of the Lamb. But in European memory, religious fervor has often been a source of bitter communal strife—think of Ireland and the Balkans. Bush is prepared to use force to advance his political goals. But after the carnage of what might be called the long European war from 1914 to 1989, some Europeans—particularly older ones, in my experience—just cannot accept the idea that any war can be a good one.

Europe these days is a curiously inward-looking place. Its political class is preoccupied with the time-consuming process of building the European Union. Young Europeans, meanwhile, are enjoying the borderless, happy and comfortable world that is their own continent. I couldn't prove it, but I suspect that Europeans are both less interested in and less knowledgeable about the U.S. than they were 20 years ago. They increasingly form their views of the U.S. from the sort of European journalism that stresses American weirdness, as if every American were a Botoxed, snake-handling cowboy Holy Roller, and that has produced what Nick Robinson calls a "grotesque caricature" of Bush in Europe.

Fair-minded Europeans who read Bush's speech in London last week will surely adjust their image of him. I was particularly struck by this passage: "Because European countries now resolve differences through negotiation and consensus, there's sometimes an assumption that the entire world functions in the same way. But let us never forget ... beyond Europe's borders, in a world where oppression and violence are very real, liberation is still a moral goal, and freedom and security still need defenders." Every word of that is true. If Europeans continue to hate the man who said them, they diminish not him, but themselves


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
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1 posted on 11/30/2003 10:19:54 PM PST by RWR8189
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To: RWR8189
They hate Bush as they hated Reagan ... both were calumnied by their lessers on the Left as "stupid" ... we now know who the "stupid" parties were in the 1980's, just as history will unmask the truly daft of today.
2 posted on 11/30/2003 10:24:05 PM PST by Mr. Buzzcut
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To: RWR8189
Pretty well said. The Europeans had better be careful what they wish for; they might get it.
3 posted on 11/30/2003 10:27:56 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: RWR8189
This is a dumbed down version of Kagan's theory about the realist American view of the world and the idealist (and plain wrong) version of the world the Euro's seem to have.

They hate Bush because he deals in the real world and gets things done, while Euro talk does nothing of any value outside of Europa - and not much within it.

The Left has bever tolerated those who make them face their delusions honestly...
4 posted on 11/30/2003 10:28:23 PM PST by swilhelm73
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To: RWR8189
There is something about Bush that just gets under the skin of Europeans.

Like being a Republican maybe? If Bush were Left friendly the socialist elites of Europe rhapsodize over him. Dean is a "conviction politician" as well. The Euroweenies would love him.

5 posted on 11/30/2003 10:28:59 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: swilhelm73
Here's a good Kagan piece, perhaps his best:

http://www.policyreview.org/JUN02/kagan.html
6 posted on 11/30/2003 10:32:07 PM PST by July 4th
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To: Mr. Buzzcut
They hate Bush as they hated Reagan ... both were calumnied by their lessers on the Left as "stupid" ... we now know who the "stupid" parties were in the 1980's, just as history will unmask the truly daft of today.
There is nothing which will make you stupid faster than the bland assumption that your own opinion doesn't have a name. If you "reject labels of right and left" for yourself, you assure yourself that those who disagree with you are inferior. And in that moment you become self-righteous, hypocritical, blind to truth.

It's why we have so many journalists who would test out at high IQs but who nonetheless speak as blithering idiots.


7 posted on 11/30/2003 10:44:57 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The everyday blessings of God are great--they just don't make "good copy.")
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To: RWR8189
But after the carnage of what might be called the long European war from 1914 to 1989, some Europeans—particularly older ones, in my experience—just cannot accept the idea that any war can be a good one.

Surely those same memories have room for the notion that not confronting an aggressive tyrant with a track record of invading two of his neighbors is what got them into such trouble in 1939 in the first place?

8 posted on 11/30/2003 10:54:37 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: RWR8189
Bush is prepared to use force to advance his political goals.

Nonsense. Bush is prepared (i.e., he has the cajones) to use force to stop the aggressive spread of Islamofascist terrorists and the dictators who support them, in order to protect Americans and American interests and allies, at home and abroad.

Political goals? Yeah, real smooth political strategery there: "I guess I'll engage in a land war and subsequent peacekeeping operation against a bloodthirsty Islamic regime, completely surrounded by other Islamic regimes (some of whom are principal suppliers of our oil bloodline), knowing full well that half my own countrymen might very well chicken out and lose their nerve, knowing that America's global popularity will likely plummet (cuz furriners don't like decisive, bold superpowers), knowing that if we can't immediately find a crapload of WMDs in Iraq the media is going to eat me alive...

"Yeah, and why don't I try this risky endeavor in the middle of a popped-bubble-and-terrorist-induced recession, about 20 MONTHS before I'm up for re-election (so that even if I do get a patriotic post-war popularity bump, the media and the Dims will have plenty of time to snipe at me and secondguess me and whittle my ratings down well before November 2004). Sounds like a great, shrewd political move."

Bush did the right thing because it had to be done, not to further his political agenda.

9 posted on 11/30/2003 11:05:51 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day ("The Pinedale Shopping Center has just been bombed by live turkeys!")
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To: nutmeg
read later bump
10 posted on 11/30/2003 11:09:04 PM PST by nutmeg (Is the DemocRATic party extinct yet?)
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To: Plutarch
The writer gets right to the cusp of the issue and then misses it. IF Europe goes ahead and forms a European Union and allows it like the US to evolve into a central government, then Europe goes from 10 players on the world stage to 1. The 1 is more important but it is still 1.

Cheney hit it on the head a bit with his meeting of the chocolate makers retort. For example the head of Switzerland does not deal with the govenor of CA. Europe is less important than they have been. If they form a EU that is more and more like a nation state where they speak a bunch of different languages, their importance will decline further. They are just learning to deal with the realities of what they are doing. And those most invested in "Europe" do not like it that this president of the US is of course recognizing the realities of world politics and acting accordingly.
11 posted on 11/30/2003 11:18:10 PM PST by JLS
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
It's why we have so many journalists who would test out at high IQs but who nonetheless speak as blithering idiots.

I disagree. I think the blithering idiots would test out at the level of blithering idiots. Maybe ever so slightly above. Adjust for level of laziness.

12 posted on 11/30/2003 11:36:37 PM PST by hotpotato
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To: RWR8189
Phoque Les Eurofaggies.
13 posted on 11/30/2003 11:38:43 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Billthedrill
It may be that the Europeans actually prefered living under the yoke of totalitarianism especially when that tyrant was fulfilling their dreams of eradicating the Jews.
14 posted on 11/30/2003 11:48:43 PM PST by pragmatic_asian
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To: RWR8189
Quote of the Day by Sapper26
15 posted on 12/01/2003 1:18:51 AM PST by RJayneJ
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
That is truly a great statement.
16 posted on 12/01/2003 2:38:54 AM PST by patj
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To: Billthedrill
Surely those same memories have room for the notion that not confronting an aggressive tyrant with a track record of invading two of his neighbors is what got them into such trouble in 1939 in the first place?

In the years leading up to the war, Churchill was largely hated -- he was viewed as a rabble-rouser and a warmonger. Churchill correctly understood Hitler, and reached the conclusion that Britain would have to eventually confront the Nazis. Many leftists then rhapsodized over the planned economy and the regimentation the Nazis were bringing to Germany -- it all seemed so "progressive." Some leftists were anti-fascist, to be sure (often preferring Stalin's utopia), but there were those who were taken-in by such things as the Autobahn, which, presumably, can only be built by a socialist dictatorship. The "sophisticated" people of the day tried to convince themselves that all would be well with the world if only old Winston would shut-up and not provoke Hitler.

17 posted on 12/01/2003 3:01:18 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: RWR8189
We now have 2 expresidents and high officials in their administrations going overseas regularly and taking cheap shots at GWB. This is unparalleled in times of national crisis. This is getting our young guys killed, IMHO.
18 posted on 12/01/2003 3:27:24 AM PST by tkathy (The islamofascists and the democrats are trying to destroy this country)
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To: RWR8189
... "But in European memory, religious fervor has often been a source of bitter communal strife—think of Ireland and the Balkans." ...

I suspect this is what we're SUPPOSED to believe about the European mind...

I have spoken to a UK flight stewardess, a thoughtfult one (really), who has done the transatlantic route for 10 years for BA, and she gave me a better insight in the the UK view at least.

We were talking about Christ (all right, fine..I was witnessing) - and I asked her why it was that roughly only 1 out of 10 folks in Europe (UK, Italy, etc) go to church? I told her I suspected Europeans didn't trust God, because of all the religious wars and all.

She said two things that really surprised me. One was that in 10 years as a BA stewardess, none of her passengers had ever witnessed to her (that one blew me away).

The other one was that in England at least, the number one fear by far is saying or acting in any manner that could get anyone looking on to laugh at you; she didn't think religious strife wasn't the big thing in people's minds. She said sincere religious people in England were more or less laughed at all the time, for they are seen as kind of crazy and eccentric.

Bush is not "hated" b/c he's like Thatcher. Bush believes in God - and says so out loud...and then salts the injury by speaking about Christ as well.

So, the reaction of the godless, for whom the weaponized use of humor is a defining characteristic, is to me thus more comprehendable. Bush is not hated really - he's just laughed at by a lot of people. I daresay, he's simply mocked, because they who mock just don't know any other way to understand him.
19 posted on 12/01/2003 3:32:27 AM PST by gobucks
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To: Mr. Buzzcut
But throughout the Clinton administration, we constantly said that the return to the White House would have the world and particularly our allies returning to the fold. We compared the loss of the Bush I Iraq coalition to Clinton's ineptness, but now find the same loss during Bush II and it's due to something else altogether.
20 posted on 12/01/2003 3:39:47 AM PST by joesbucks
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