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To: UnklGene
So, reconciliation talks with the Vatican are out the window. And a world-wide schism within Anglicanism is imminent.

But, hey, the most important thing is that the homosexual agenda took a step forward. And that is the most important thing, right?

Is this like bombing the village in order to save it? I think the Church just blew itself up.

3 posted on 12/01/2003 9:46:49 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (France delenda est)
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To: ClearCase_guy
the homosexual agenda took a step forward

Only in their own minds.

In reality, it stirred up the opposition in what has been a bitter, decades-long controversy.

Perhaps we should thank God that this happened.

4 posted on 12/01/2003 9:51:38 AM PST by MegaSilver
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To: ClearCase_guy
The gays now have the Episcopal church. Their partners/spouses and themselves will now enjoy the company of their fellow gays and their sympathisers. If the American gay population is 10 per cent??? they can fill their houses of Sodom to the hilt. Pope Gene has his church !!!
5 posted on 12/01/2003 10:03:56 AM PST by Hidgy (LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC)
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To: ClearCase_guy
It has always struck me as amazing the extent to which homosexual activists will go to advance their agenda. How they subordinate every aspect of life, from the personal to to the civil, until it affirmations their sexual orientation. Such a narrow perspective that would destroy the order of the entire civilized world rather live under it.
6 posted on 12/01/2003 10:04:42 AM PST by kimoajax
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To: ClearCase_guy
Is this like bombing the village in order to save it? I think the Church just blew itself up.

On the contrary. Now, instead of "merely" the threat of schism with the Anglican Communion (which the Queen wants to avoid at all costs), and the breakup of the Church of England, Williams is now threatened by a break with the Roman Catholics, and also the Orthodox Church.

All of that for the apostasy of Frank Griswold, Gene Robinson, and Canada'a Michael Ingham.

Williams' choices are fairly limited at this point: he can cast aside the "consenting bishops" of the ECUSA and Canada, thereby preserving the Communion; or he can side with the apostates, and destroy the Communion.

Also, we must remember that the Roman Catholic Church made its position on the ECUSA crystal clear when Cardinal Ratzinger issued, in JPII's name, a direct message of encouragement to the Plano meeting last October -- which ultimately set the ball rolling for Griswold's resignation from ARCIC.

In my mind it's fairly clear what's going to happen here. Williams will choose the unity of worldwide Christianity over the schismatic actions of the two North American provinces.

Where it goes from there is less clear, but it may well result in Griswold leading his faction of the ECUSA out of the Anglican Communion -- which leaves the orthodox among us to build a new Anglican province. (I think that would also end up handling the property issue, BTW.)

11 posted on 12/01/2003 11:02:36 AM PST by r9etb
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