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Vince Foster: What the Media Won’t Tell You
NewsMax.com ^ | 12/04/03

Posted on 12/04/2003 4:33:52 AM PST by kattracks

Major media outlets reported Wednesday on the Supreme Court hearing of California lawyer Allan Favish's case that government photographs of Vincent Foster’s death scene be released for public viewing. The media report that no fewer than five investigations have found that Foster committed suicide because he was depressed. But despite 10 years of denial by the major media, the Foster case has not “closed” – as the Supreme Court hearing Wednesday demonstrated.

The case won’t close because of the failure of authorities to make full disclosure – and to conduct a full investigation into the case, including a complete autopsy.

Vince Foster was not only deputy White House counsel but also the personal attorney to Bill and Hillary Clinton.

On the night of Foster’s death, top Clinton aides made a frantic effort to enter and remove documents from his West Wing office. In the days that followed, federal investigators were stymied in their investigation of Foster’s office and strange death.

Since Foster’s July 1993 death, the facts of his death have been obfuscated by friends of Bill and Hillary in the major media, but here’s the undeniable truth:

There weren’t “five” investigations into Foster’s death, as the media report. The Park Police, best known for their meter and horse patrols around Washington, were put in charge of the initial death inquiry of the most important federal official to die suspiciously since President Kennedy. The Park Police, contradicting standard procedure, declared the death a suicide before launching their inquiry.

The FBI never officially investigated the case but simply signed off on the Park Police “probe.” The bureau had little choice. The day before Foster’s death, Bill Clinton hurriedly fired the director of the FBI, William Sessions. Sessions later charged that Clinton had “politicized” the bureau.

Later, Robert Fiske, selected by Clinton’s counsel Bernie Nussbaum and Janet Reno, quickly confirmed the Park Police probe as a suicide.

But when Ken Starr entered the investigation, he reopened the case. His chief prosecutor in the case, Miquel Rodriguez, later quit the Starr investigation, claiming that Starr’s staff was engaging in a cover-up of Foster’s death.

Rodriguez, a Harvard-educated federal prosecutor, argued that one of the Polaroid photos taken of Foster at the crime scene indicated an additional wound on Foster’s neck – never noted on the autopsy report. Favish’s suit before the Supreme Court is seeking to release this photo, among others.

No fewer than three of the paramedics on the scene indicated in reports or testimony that the crime scene was consistent with a murder scene, not a suicide.

A careful FBI microscopic investigation of Foster’s shoes found not a trace of soil or grass stains on them, though he supposedly walked several hundred yards through wooded Fort Marcy Park to where his body was found. [Years later, Starr’s investigation found plenty of soil and grass stains. Rodriguez charged that the shoes were tampered with to produce such “evidence.”]

Foster was found with little blood around his body – and despite claims that he fired the gun into his mouth, practically no blood was found on the front of his shirt.

Foster was found with a 1913 revolver no one in his family could claim, with two serial numbers, made from the parts of three or more guns. None of Foster’s fingerprints were found on the gun.

The bullet that supposedly killed Foster was never found, despite intensive searches.

Despite claims to the contrary, no one who knew Foster, including Hillary, Web Hubbell and his own wife, saw signs of depression.

A so-called suicide note was found in an office briefcase that had been searched and found to be empty after Foster’s death. The note was torn into 27 pieces. Yet an FBI examination found no trace of Foster’s fingerprints on the note and a top Oxford handwriting expert found the note to be an “obvious” forgery.

Despite the enormity of the case, Foster’s autopsy lasted an astounding 45 minutes. The coroner in the case had previously been overruled in other cases he declared “suicides” that were later found to be murders.

All of the X-rays taken during the autopsy are missing.

Complete crime scene photos don’t exist. The Park Police said all the photos were “accidentally” overexposed. A series of close-up Polaroids, which Favish is suing for, remain. This is just a brief summary of the dozens of inconsistencies in the case. Two New York homicide investigators who looked into the case concluded that Foster’s body had been moved to the crime scene and that murder could not be ruled out.

Despite overwhelming evidence of a cover-up, the media won’t question the official ruling.

Ken Starr, who could find no criminal wrongdoing on the part of the Clintons during his “intensive” probe, confirmed a ruling of suicide. Starr even hired O.J. Simpson’s defense expert to prove his case.

If ever there were a case for public disclosure of government records and photos, it’s the Vince Foster case. The high court should decide in Allan Favish’s favor.



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1 posted on 12/04/2003 4:33:52 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
looking back on how everything worked out, Vince needn't come to an end ... anything he (or ron brown) might have released or revealed would have been ignored by the media anyway
2 posted on 12/04/2003 4:37:08 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (Cletus: "There's that girl what makes those squiggles into words.)
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To: kattracks
... but of course, the xxxlintons are so politically clumsy they only know clumsy methods to fixing 'problems'
3 posted on 12/04/2003 4:38:55 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (Cletus: "There's that girl what makes those squiggles into words.)
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To: kattracks
Good post. We KNOW Jerry Parks was NOT a suicide. Perhaps the killer(s) of Parks would lead to others.
4 posted on 12/04/2003 4:48:33 AM PST by PGalt
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To: kattracks
But yet we're told to 'just let it go' when people trot out the same questions about JFK...?

5 posted on 12/04/2003 4:49:22 AM PST by jedwardtremlett ((Dubai, UAE))
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To: kattracks
Read pages 167 through 170 in Ambrose Evans Pritchard's book, The Secret Life of Bill Clinton. It's very interesting.

Livingstone and Kennedy went to the Fairfax County morgue to "identify" the body. They arrive in separate cars from some twenty miles, I believe. Previously, there were no keys found in Fosters pant pockets at the Park. No keys.

After Livingstone and Kennedy finished their "identification", magically there were keys in Foster's pocket. Go figure! Now here's the kicker. Livingstone and Kennedy, however, left the morgue in only one car. Anyone want to guess why they had to leave in just one call leaving one car behind?

6 posted on 12/04/2003 4:50:56 AM PST by thesummerwind (like painted skies, those days and nights, they went flyin' by)
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To: InvisibleChurch
anything he (or ron brown) might have released or revealed would have been ignored by the media

Like these --- Inslaw, Promis

7 posted on 12/04/2003 4:53:41 AM PST by thesummerwind (like painted skies, those days and nights, they went flyin' by)
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To: kattracks
Vince is one of the few people who could get to the Park two hours before his car.

Patrick Knowlton

8 posted on 12/04/2003 4:56:18 AM PST by thesummerwind (like painted skies, those days and nights, they went flyin' by)
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To: kattracks
Get ready to be floored....Monday night I checked in with the commie outlet in NYC, WBAI, to hear their most recent line of lies. I caught Mike Levine's weekly hour called Expert Witness Radio. The topic was Foster's death. The take...Foster was murdered by people related to the WH(!) and, there was/is a definite conspiracy to keep the truth hidden, a conspiracy including Ken Starr. Levine's guests called Hillary a criminal(!) and said anyone who votes for her gets what he deserves....all on WBAI....
9 posted on 12/04/2003 5:04:13 AM PST by wtc911
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To: kattracks
Two New York homicide investigators who looked into the case concluded that Foster’s body had been moved to the crime scene

Janet Reno hadn't yet gotten her little red truck. Couldn't have been her. ;)

10 posted on 12/04/2003 5:06:09 AM PST by thesummerwind (like painted skies, those days and nights, they went flyin' by)
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To: wtc911
Levine's guests called Hillary a criminal(!) and said anyone who votes for her gets what he deserves....all on WBAI....

There's a rumor that she's going to be indicted in the case against Hollywood fund-raiser and self-described witness against Bill and Hillary Clinton, Aaron Tonken after the first of the year.

We'll see. No one has nabbed the sleazeball yet, but timing is everything.

11 posted on 12/04/2003 5:13:35 AM PST by thesummerwind (like painted skies, those days and nights, they went flyin' by)
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To: thesummerwind
Patrick Knowlton gave a complete statement and it proved Vince Foster was murdered. (link)
(link)...Knowlton's story an important read!

Another person, Hugh Sprunt also wrote extensively about the murder of Vince Foster, and there were others. Others like Mrs. Foster have been successfully silenced as to the circumstances of her husband's untimely death. Mr. Foster was obviously in the possession of knowledge that could lead to the demise of not only the Clinton's but also others who couldn't allow some truths to be told. Just as with JFK, crime and criminals are at the bottom of this; it couldn't be more clear!

Americans need to know WHO was really in charge during the Clinton years. Arkansas still harbors some very shady people who had come to Washington with the Clintons.

Does anyone know if George Soros is a US citizen?

12 posted on 12/04/2003 5:30:20 AM PST by yoe (Mrs. Clinton demoralized our Troops with her UN diatribe & shows her continued disrespect for them))
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To: kattracks
There is no explaining Foster's immaculate shoe soles, particularly when his body was located 700 feet off the walkway. The carpet fibers covering his suit seem more than a little odd, too.
13 posted on 12/04/2003 5:31:04 AM PST by KCrouch
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To: thesummerwind
Not likely that W. will let this happen. His policy so far seems to be hands off the Clintons.
14 posted on 12/04/2003 5:33:58 AM PST by wtc911
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To: KCrouch
"carpet fibers on Foster's clothes"........don't forget about the blind (Hillary) hairs found on his clothes as well
15 posted on 12/04/2003 5:37:36 AM PST by newzhawk
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To: yoe
I do not know if Soros is a citizen. I'm sure it's easy to find out.

As far as Vince is concerned, he didn't do himself.

16 posted on 12/04/2003 5:40:15 AM PST by thesummerwind (like painted skies, those days and nights, they went flyin' by)
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To: wtc911
Ken Starr tried to keep this report out (Patrick). Had Janet Reno gotten to Starr and threatened him? Why has the Foster death and that of Ron Brown been so well covered up? Someone or ones in the Clinton administration as well as the Clintons had/has much to fear from a factual disclosure of both deaths.

I have always suspected Ken Star was thrown the Lewinsky bone, to throw everything else off track - knowing Americans love titillating stories and hoping Monica would cinch that letting Foster’s and Brown’s deaths die quietly – leaving the Clinton’s and their shady cronies in place. Enormous bribes must have changed hands...some one out there knows the whole story...what would it take to get it out?

17 posted on 12/04/2003 5:44:11 AM PST by yoe (Mrs. Clinton demoralized our Troops with her UN diatribe & shows her continued disrespect for them))
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To: kattracks
bttt
18 posted on 12/04/2003 5:44:39 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: yoe
Patrick Knowlton gave a complete statement

Have you read Ambrose Evans Pritchard's book, The Secret Life of Bill Clinton? He has a great (and believe it or not humorous at times) chapter (Street Fascism). You have to read that. It's right out of a great spy novel. Pritchard, Chris Ruddy, and Patrick Knowlton sparring with the FBI and others, excellent.

19 posted on 12/04/2003 5:55:11 AM PST by thesummerwind (like painted skies, those days and nights, they went flyin' by)
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To: wtc911
Yeh, it all stinks. Nearly everone is dirty.
20 posted on 12/04/2003 5:57:37 AM PST by thesummerwind (like painted skies, those days and nights, they went flyin' by)
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To: thesummerwind
Anyone want to guess why they had to leave in just one call leaving one car behind?

I'll take a jab and say it was a BRIBE!

21 posted on 12/04/2003 6:00:10 AM PST by OXENinFLA (Islam is like a new Communist infestation akin to what McCarthy exposed.)
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To: thesummerwind
Okay, you've piqued my curiosity. Why?
22 posted on 12/04/2003 6:07:57 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: jedwardtremlett
"But yet we're told to 'just let it go' when people trot out the same questions about JFK...?"

What same questions? Now JFK was a suicide? No, the JFK deal has been gone over and over and over, with an official Blue-Ribbon inquiry, re-manufactured urban legends, a 100 TV investigations and an Oliver Stone movie. Please let us know when ABCNBCCBS have completed their full scale investigations and Oliver Stone has made a "Vince" movie. Then we'll be talking about things on the same scale

23 posted on 12/04/2003 6:21:48 AM PST by cookcounty
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To: yoe
One thing a bit odd about Soros is the extremely high complexity of interlocking "foundations" and "initiatives" that he has going, many of them humanitarian in title, yet involved in nations where daily corruption is the norm. Yet he calls his orgs things like "Open Society Initiative" and throws the "transparency" buzz-word around in places where it doesn't even make any sense. It would take 1,000 auditors to figure out what's going on in there. Is that on purpose? Someon wanting to check this out might first evaluate whether Soros' foundations (Yes, there are dozens of them) are structured quite differently from other well-known living philanthropists, and ask "Now why is that?"
24 posted on 12/04/2003 6:42:02 AM PST by cookcounty
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To: kattracks
"Trust Starr." - - Quidam
25 posted on 12/04/2003 6:51:38 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: kattracks
I knew we'd never get a full investigation the day Clintoon was interviewed with a fake tear in his eye, biting his lip, and saying "The sad thing is we'll never know" - in other words, the case is closed, no investigation, let's move on.
26 posted on 12/04/2003 6:55:09 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: Lancey Howard
I think Quidam was Starr. ;o)
27 posted on 12/04/2003 7:00:46 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Just by looking at the actions of those involved, there surely was a huge cover-up.
28 posted on 12/04/2003 7:03:21 AM PST by Dante3
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To: wtc911
Not likely that W. will let this happen. His policy so far seems to be hands off the Clintons.

Blackmail can be a two-way street and doesn't always involve cash.

I wonder what they might have on him.

29 posted on 12/04/2003 7:29:59 AM PST by brewcrew
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To: cookcounty
"One thing a bit odd about Soros is the extremely high complexity of interlocking "foundations" and "initiatives" that he has going, many of them humanitarian in title, yet involved in nations where daily corruption is the norm."

I got the same impression - the rat's maze of organizations might be an effective way to move money around. Strange.
30 posted on 12/04/2003 7:38:03 AM PST by Ben Hecks
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To: kattracks
"Foster was found with a 1913 revolver no one in his family could claim, with two serial numbers, made from the parts of three or more guns.

This is an out and out lie. The gun that was found at the scene was Foster's father's revolver. Why so-called investigators like this have to embellish their lists of oddities in a case is beyond me. All it does is make me very skeptical of the rest of the list.

31 posted on 12/04/2003 7:42:25 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: kattracks
High Court Hears Plea To Release Death Photos

Bump for cross reference and discussion.

32 posted on 12/04/2003 7:42:43 AM PST by IncPen ( Read. Learn something.)
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To: wtc911
Not likely that W. will let this happen. His policy so far seems to be hands off the Clintons.

Not anymore...I have been following this story for awhile...

June 2002 - New York Sen. Hillary Clinton surely hopes that history isn't repeating itself with the raid conducted by the FBI last month on another warehouse; this one chock full of documents from her 2000 Senatorial campaign.

"The documents were seized in a May 30 raid of a California storage facility containing documents of Peter Paul, the entrepreneur who funded Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign with over $2 million dollars in direct, in-kind contributions which were never reported by Hillary Clinton or her Senate campaign, as required by law," revealed the public interest law firm Judicial Watch in a press release late last week.

The FBI raid may also be a sign that the reported no prosecution deal for the Clintons, demanded by Democrat leaders as the price for President Bush getting some of his legislative agenda implemented, is beginning to unravel - since Democrats seem to have kept little if any of their part of the bargain. (See: Bush Insider Claims Clinton Deal Torpedoed Pardongate)

FBI Raids Hillary's Warehouse in Whitewater Deja Vu

Links to more info on this story can be found here

Aaron Tonken and Peter Paul are in custody and are spilling their guts. Hopefully that won't be a prophetic literal statement considering the Clinton Body Count. I knew these scandals would resurface with the rumors of Hillary running for President. It's been a long, slow process, but Ashcroft just has to make damn sure he can make any charges stick before he lets loose with an indictment.

33 posted on 12/04/2003 7:49:56 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: brewcrew
See my #33...the Dems brokered a deal with Bush on the Clinton scandals, but that has fallen apart now that the Dems have reneged on their part of the deal.
34 posted on 12/04/2003 7:53:50 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: brewcrew; yoe; thesummerwind
Check our Levine's site "expertwitnessradio.org" to listen to the two parter. There's a lot of self-congratulatory fluff to sift through but the kernals of evidence are worth it. Everyone involved got promoted and one of the Gov't lawyers now works in the WH while another is a District Ct. judge.

Levine is a former DEA guy who takes on all kinds of crusades. How he survives at Pacifica is beyond me.

As a point of interest, his co-host said in reference to the islamist terrorists..."we won't wake up until they blow up the Trade center and bring it down" (paraphrase)...on air 09/04/01.

35 posted on 12/04/2003 7:59:03 AM PST by wtc911
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To: thesummerwind
There's a rumor that she's going to be indicted in the case against Hollywood fund-raiser and self-described witness against Bill and Hillary Clinton, Aaron Tonken after the first of the year

Your standard Larry Nichols "they're gonna get Hillary after the first of the year" memo.
Newsflash: Martha Washington will serve time before Hillary Clinton.

O by the way, on an entirely unrelated topic, of course the woman is a criminal and guilty as hell.

36 posted on 12/04/2003 9:13:41 AM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: Shooter 2.5
The gun that was found at the scene was Foster's father's revolver.

Link please.

Vincent Foster was found with a .38 revolver made by Colt Arms. It was built from parts taken from two other guns, and as a result had two serial numbers. The Frame number was 355055, and according to the records of the Colt Arms Company , the gun was manufactured with a standard dark blue, almost black, finish. ...

In the handwritten notes and final FD-302a report of the interview, the interviewing FBI agents describe the gun being shown to Lisa Foster as "silver colored", not just once, but many times. The gun is never described as dark blue or black.

37 posted on 12/04/2003 9:39:46 AM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope!" - Terri Schindler Schiavo)
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To: TigersEye
Ah, the infamous black/silver gun controversy.

I suggest you read the actual interview with Mrs. Foster.
38 posted on 12/04/2003 9:50:13 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Does it differ from these FBI notes? Since you didn't provide a link I'll have to look for it when I have more time. Thanks.
39 posted on 12/04/2003 9:57:49 AM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope!" - Terri Schindler Schiavo)
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To: TigersEye
Read the very last page and last paragraph of the upper group.

She believes the gun found at the park was the one that came from his father's collection.

If anyone cares to think woman are so stupid they don't know silver from black, nickled from blued, auto from revolver, so be it.

Interesting enough, the pages also mention his depression.
40 posted on 12/04/2003 10:35:06 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: archy
What's your take?
41 posted on 12/04/2003 10:45:30 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: kattracks
I am certain that VF did not die in that park.

Thanks for the post.

42 posted on 12/04/2003 11:13:21 AM PST by Triple (All forms of socialism deny individuals the right to the fruits of their labor)
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To: Shooter 2.5
She believes the gun found at the park was the one that came from his father's collection.

Sure she did...after the requisite amount of "coaching" by the FBI, Bernie Nussbaum, and others in La Cosa Klinton.

If anyone cares to think woman are so stupid they don't know silver from black, nickled from blued, auto from revolver, so be it.

If you believe ANYTHING that came from the La Cosa Klinton admin...let alone the pressured widow, so be it!

Her "testimony" verus those there on the scene, AND the records...I know where I stand.

43 posted on 12/04/2003 11:18:03 AM PST by Itzlzha (The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote!)
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To: thesummerwind
OK, I'll play. Why?
44 posted on 12/04/2003 11:46:30 AM PST by Mpatl
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To: Kenny Bunk
Newsflash: Martha Washington will serve time before Hillary Clinton.

LOL........You're most likely correctamundo. The Cubs and the Redsox will win the World Series before Hillary feels the heat.

LOL!

45 posted on 12/04/2003 11:54:18 AM PST by thesummerwind (like painted skies, those days and nights, they went flyin' by)
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To: Kenny Bunk
O by the way, on an entirely unrelated topic, of course the woman is a criminal and guilty as hell.

LOL, again!

46 posted on 12/04/2003 11:55:33 AM PST by thesummerwind (like painted skies, those days and nights, they went flyin' by)
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To: Mpatl
OK, I'll play. Why?

I was expecting you to answer.........just kidding.

Well, since Livingsone and Kennedy came to the building in two cars and had to (or chose to) leave in just one car, there is a possibility that, in their haste to shove a set of keys into Vince's pocket (like the Keystone Cops) one of them shoved one of their own sets of keys in Vince's pocket by mistake.

Nah! But why did they leave in only one car?

One of life's mysteries.

47 posted on 12/04/2003 12:02:31 PM PST by thesummerwind (like painted skies, those days and nights, they went flyin' by)
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To: thesummerwind
How do you know they left in one car?
48 posted on 12/04/2003 12:21:55 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: Itzlzha
The only fact I see staring you in the face is a minor little detail in this whole saga and you still want to cling to a Black/Silver gun issue.

If you can't get some minor comment like this right, you lost the entire controversy.

Wow, imagine the inability of someone who can't conceive of the possibility of a person owning more than one handgun. Somehow I'm not surprised.
49 posted on 12/04/2003 12:32:37 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Nita Nupress
Just as guess............Well, since Livingsone and Kennedy came to the building in two cars and had to (or chose to) leave in just one car, there is a possibility that, in their haste to shove a set of keys into Vince's pocket (like the Keystone Cops) one of them shoved one of their own sets of keys in Vince's pocket by mistake. Nah! But why did they leave in only one car?

Whadaya think?

50 posted on 12/04/2003 12:33:54 PM PST by thesummerwind (like painted skies, those days and nights, they went flyin' by)
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