We’ve Been Lied To: Christianity and the Rise of Science

BreakPoint ^ | 4 Dec 03 | Chuck Colson

[Pahuanui]

As Rodney Stark writes in his new book, For the Glory of God, “every educated person” of Columbus’s time, especially Christian clergy, “knew the earth was round.”

What a ridiculous, unproveable statement.

More than 800 years before Columbus’s voyage, Bede, the church historian, taught this, as did Hildegard of Bingen and Thomas Aquinas.

Can someone please point out exactly where Hildegard von Bingen taught this? I've read her extensively, and don't recall anything even remotely relating to this.

[Mr. Silverback]

Feel free to explain a woodpecker.

[Lexinom]

which demonstrates that expertise in engineering confers absolutely no insight whatsoever into physics or biology.

This is a classic non-sequitur born of academic imperialism. Unless someone embraces Lyell's unprovable long ages and ignores the evidence for a young earth, he's a heretic, anathama to the scientific establishment. They are no different than Rome in the middle ages.

[xzins]

good post

[xzins]

good post

Also, it's little reported that Galileo was a devout believer who considered the priesthood as a vocation.

GALILEO WAS A BELIEVER AND A SCIENTIST.

It's so camp to pass him off as a 20th century, scopes trial-type naturalist....which is a lie.

[inquest]

"AUC" means...?

Ab urbe condita, "from the founding of the city". It was ancient Rome's dating system. 1 AD corresponds to 754 AUC.

[Snuffington]

"...Eventually, the geocentric or earth-centered view became crystallized into dogma and was held to be as sacred as the Scriptures it was seen to support (Campanella 1639)..."

That's an assertion that has no backing. The language is nice and powerful, but it's powerfully stating an utter lie.

Serious question: Do you know where and how dogma is defined in the Catholic Church? Because if you do, this is something quite easy to fact check on your own.

[js1138]

Feel free to explain a woodpecker.

What did I say to bring that on?

[PatrickHenry]

Lots of source documents here on the Galileo affair: Trial of Galileo Galilei.

[VadeRetro]

What did I say to bring that on? ["Feel free to explain a woodpecker."]

Mantra for the threatened worldview. Think of a terrified ingénue menaced by a vampire. Instead of a crucifix, she whips out ... a woodpecker. Somehow, somewhere, you scared the poor silverback. Evidently not a silverback gorilla.

I can remember once having to admit I didn't know how the poor woodpecker got his tongue all twisted up like that, but nevertheless citing Dawkins that "Evolution is smarter than you are." (Which is always taken by creationists to mean that Evolution is some kind of anthropomorphic God to the evos after all.)

The evolution of the woodpecker's tongue.

[js1138]

The better to Kiss you with.

[VadeRetro]

I suppose if you get kissed by a woodpecker you ...

1) feel the earth move, or something,

or,

2) feel like a real knot-head.

[VOA]

Yesterday's (Wed.) Breakpoint Commentary debunking a lot of the "witch hunt" mythology was
pretty good.

[js1138]

Explain this...

[VadeRetro]

A mutation of some sort. (I assume you mean the one on the left.)

[MrsEmmaPeel]

Actually Columbus thought the world was pear-shaped. (or, as he described it "like a ladies' breast"). The figures for the circumference of the world were off by a considerable margin, so Columbus, did what any person would have done in the face of a failing theory: invent a new one to explain the old. The earth's circumference was just fine, he reasoned -- It the shape of the earth that baffled the great minds before him. He just happened to find a path that took him to the "stem" of the pear. Up and down the stem took quite a bit of time - and that's why he sailed for so long without seeing land.

Personally, I think he was going loopey.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for the ping! It looks interesting!

[Uri’el-2012]

Ronly Bonly Jones;GulliverSwift

GS>But wasn't Newton pretty devout, too?>>>

RBJ>Nope. In point of fact he was a pagan alchemist.

37 posted on 12/04/2003 1:54:21 PM MST by Ronly Bonly Jones

Even a cursory glance at his Biography would yield:

"Issac Newton was a deeply religious man"

VII RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS AND PERSONALITY Newton also wrote on Judaeo-Christian prophecy, whose decipherment was essential, he thought, to the understanding of God. His book on the subject, which was reprinted well into the Victorian Age, represented lifelong study. Its message was that Christianity went astray in the 4th century AD, when the first Council of Nicaea propounded erroneous doctrines of the nature of Christ. The full extent of Newton's unorthodoxy was recognized only in the present century: but although a critic of accepted Trinitarian dogmas and the Council of Nicaea, he possessed a deep religious sense, venerated the Bible and accepted its account of creation. In late editions of his scientific works he expressed a strong sense of God's providential role in nature.

http://www.newton.cam.ac.uk/newtlife.html

a bondslave to the Christ

chuck

[Doctor Stochastic]

Ab Urbe Condita

[Doctor Stochastic]

Nevertheless, Columbus did know about the trade winds and he was able to return to the same island he went to first (even though he didn't know what it was, he did know how to get ther.)

Of course, the Vast Round Earth Conspiracy has hid the fact that the San José fell of the edge of the world while the other three ships tacked violently.