Dean & Clintons Battle For DNC

EIB ^ | 12/4/03 | Rush

[Tumbleweed_Connection]

I've told you before that Bill and Hillary Clinton pull the strings at the Democrat National Committee through their sock puppet Terrance McAuliffe. Traditionally, control of the DNC should've gone to Algore as the party's last nominee, but the Clintons aced him out of even that small victory. So when Howard Dean started coming on strong for the 2004 nomination, the Clintons threw in another sock puppet, Wesley Clark, to slow him down. Clark failed totally.

The Clintons don't want to see a Democrat win in 2004, because that would mean Hillary couldn't run for the White House until 2012. But paradoxically the weakest candidate against President Bush in 2004 is also the strongest candidate to wrest control of the DNC away from Bill and Hillary after he loses: Howard Dean. This fear has some real basis, because Dean is a smart guy. You can be sure that the Clintons know that when they see stories like the Washington Post's "Dean Now Courting Party Insiders."

The Clintons don't mind if Dean takes himself and his supporters off the cliff, but they're darn sure not going to let him take them off. "But, Rush, nobody thought Clinton could win against Bush 41 at this stage. The Democrats should be encouraging Dean!" Folks, you're not getting it. The Clintons don't want any Democrat not named "Clinton" to win in 2004. They need the party apparatus, and their head fundraiser McAuliffe in charge of it, to make a run in 2008. They don't want to have to take the party back over or anything like that. Sure they have HILPAC and George Soros' group Americans Coming Together and a number of other things, but those aren't a party apparatus.

They see Dean raising $12 or $14 million dollars on the Internet as he smashes Clinton's fundraising records. That's why we have former Clinton Chief of Staff Leon Panetta telling the Washington Times that the party is worried about Dean taking them to a huge loss a'la McGovern or Mondull. They're doing anything they can to slow Dean down, so he'll be a sacrifice in 2004 and leave the door open for '08. This is going to be fun to watch. There's going to be a death struggle, a Texas chainsaw match between Dean and the Clintons over control of the DNC. Watch you don't get spattered, folks.

[Batrachian]

I think that's the point I was trying to make. The Clintons have enough muscle to squelch Dean, even if he is the nominee. It's for certain they don't want their money man getting replaced.

When is the Dem convention? We'll know by then. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that McAuliffe stays.

[Senormechanico]

"The DNC membership votes for the chairman, and they're not ready to buck Bill Clinton."

Probably because they know what REALLY happened to Vince Foster.

SM

[txhurl]

You guys continue to ignore Edwards at your peril.

He has a doable darkhorse plan.

[gg188]

Dean should have a majority of the DNC members

Not if the Clintons have their files or can get something on them.

[al baby]

She will run onlyif she is convinced that she can defeat Bush. Hillary is too shrewd to let Bush beat her.


I just feel she knows she cant keep the people at bay for another five years

I thinks she knows she will melt and people will finly get it she a bust

[GOPJ]

Let's say Dean runs against Bush and doesn't take one state. Dean's rendered powerless.

Democrats aren't known for being loyal, but this will be a new low. Dean could look to Gore for power and acceptance - and even Gore would reject him.

So what happens? Clinton and McAwful step into the void. They're there to save the day, get the party back on a victory path. The dying party has a head.

Clinton wants Dean to run. We want Dean to run. And Dean wants Dean to run. John Edwards could stop the train wreck, but he's young, inexperienced, and not with the "in" program. Watching democrats is better than going to the circus.

[MizzouTigerRepublican]

Vince Foster could have used Algore's (Wink Wink) intuition

[NewLand]

"She will run in 04 she has no other option"

I'm beginning to believe more and more that this is the case. It has to do with control, ego, and the unknown.

Not only is Giuliani a potential threat to her in the '06 Senate race, recent rumors have Colin Powell (native NY'er) as a potential candidate too.

I say "bring on Hillary NOW"...while she is weaker and The Repubs are strong.

[taillightchaser]

Both those socialists belong in jail--not running a national party. Are the democraps ever going to wake up and realize they are being scammed by this evil twosome??

[ChadGore]

[al baby]

I say "bring on Hillary NOW"...while she is weaker and The Repubs are strong.


I know this may sound Crazy suppose Bill Clinton is Killed
or dies Wink wink

Hillary as a widow runs for president to for more of the sypathy vote

[varon]

She will run in 04 she has no other option

I believe you're correct because even if she loses, she would be the titular head of the Democrat party and as such would have control over the DNC.

[Davea]

The civil war (gangland war) inside the Dem party is well underway. "A house divided...."

Panetta Warning Reveals Widening Dean-Clinton Rift

NewsMax.com ^ | 11/30/2003 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 11/30/2003 9:22:53 PM PST by NewLand

Sunday, Nov. 30, 2003 10:19 p.m. EST Panetta Warning Reveals Widening Dean-Clinton Rift

Yet another Clinton insider is openly criticizing his party's presidential front-runner, Howard Dean, warning Democrats that the ex-Vermont governor is far too liberal to defeat President Bush in next year's election.

"There clearly are concerns about Dean's ability to appeal to the entire country, particularly on national security issues," former White House Chief of Staff Leon Panetta told the Washington Times on Friday.

"How can you compete with President Bush on the national security front? There is some concern about whether Dean can rise to the occasion on this issue," Panetta told the paper.

In his warning about Gov. Dean, Panetta hinted that he was carrying a message authored by his former boss, ex-President Bill Clinton. The former White House chief of staff acknowledged that he speaks regularly with the ex-president, who is said to be concerned about Dean's candidacy.

Panetta's comments follow closely on the heels of an attack on Dean by top Hillary Clinton strategist Harold Ickes, who complained to Time magazine two weeks ago that the Vermont governor was "quick of lip, and quick of temper and stubborn."

Ickes also criticized Dean for repeatedly telling audiences that he wants to win support from Southerners who drive pick-up trucks sporting Confederate flags, grousing, "In another time, the Confederate-flag story would have taken him down the drain."

The deepening opposition within the Clinton camp to the candidate least likely to beat Bush has confounded those who say the former first couple actually want Democrats to lose in 2004 in order to give Mrs. Clinton a better chance to win the White House herself by running for an open seat in 2008.

Some say the Clintons' anti-Dean maneuvering shows one of two things:

Either they actually want to see Democrats win in 2004 [a development that would shut down Mrs. Clinton's presidential ambitions till 2012]. Or Bill and Hillary are stacking the deck for a presidential draft sometime before next July's Democratic convention.

[tefis]

I believe that the presidential nominee, as the "titular" head of the party gets to name the party chairman. Dean's a control freak and will want his own people at the DNC. If he expects to have any control or autonomy, he will have to neutralize the Clinton's white knuckled death grip on the DNC, He will want people that have delivered for him and not those blindly loyal to the Clintons.

Dean is entirely too arrogant to serve 2 masters...himself and the Clinton machine. He has already fired the warning shots of a war for control of the party by consistently taking positions very far left of the DLC, and disavowing centrist (here's an oxymoron)Democrat ideology while creating his own fundraisinf apparatus and repeatedly stating that he is from the "Democrat wing of the Democrat Party".

While I will miss that cretin McAuliffe, let them divide, we will conquer...

[varon]

Dean is only a threat to the Clintons if he has a real shot at being president, and most people would argue that he doesn't.

Don't underestimate Dean. The man has fire in his belly and his support is swelling.

If Dean gets the Dem nomination (it's almost a given) then the contest will be between personalities and not issues. The last time around, both candidates were "flat", lacking sparkle, vigor or charisma. It was a contest between "dead" and "deader". One couldn't spit over his lip and the other couldn't find his. So, they ran on issues.

[Verginius Rufus]

I think Bush is likely to be re-elected, barring unforeseen bad news in the next 11 months, but the electoral college breakdown may be more like 1988 than 1984. In any case, if Dean is the nominee and is defeated even on a Dukakis scale (rather than a Mondale or McGovern scale), he's not likely to be a contender for a second try in 2008, so the party has no reason to respect his preferences for DNC chairman.

In any event, the Democratic nominee is assured of at least the votes of the District of Columbia, thanks to the 23rd amendment ("The District constituting the Seat of Government of the United States shall appoint in such manner as the Congress may direct, three electors of President and Vice President, who shall cast their ballots for the nominees of the Democratic Party.")

[Batrachian]

You think Dean could be a threat to Bush?

[Capt. Tom]

Granted Dean isn't a southerner like Carter but strange things can happen in elections.

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[NewLand]

"You guys continue to ignore Edwards at your peril. He has a doable darkhorse plan."

So does Carol Mosely Braun. And Lyndon Larouche.

[al baby]

She will run in 04 she has no other option

Plus do you think Bill can stay out of trouble for 5 years
if he dosent shes toast