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The General Learns To Make A Buzz
CBSnews ^ | 12/4/03 | Bonney Kapp

Posted on 12/04/2003 3:46:36 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

According to retired Gen. Wesley Clark, when a jet takes off from an aircraft carrier, it "sags" towards the ocean as the pilot hits the afterburner. It's a normal occurrence for fighter pilots who must harness the short burst of energy to successfully clear the deck. And it's exactly how Clark sees his own campaign.

"We sagged, we didn't hit the waves, and now we're flying back up out of that," Clark told C-SPAN Wednesday when he was asked whether early glitches have slowed his campaign's momentum.

Those in the know would argue that Clark doesn't draw the same crowds as say, Howard Dean, who can attract thousands eager to hear the energized doctor. At Wednesday's event at a Rochester, N.H., preschool, just a dozen people turned up for a "Conversation with Clark." The word "intimate" wasn't on the sign taped to the front door asking parents to come hear the candidate, but he probably won a few votes by talking to the group of women for about 45 minutes.

Based on Clark's scheduled venues, his supporters would argue that it's quality, not quantity that matters. After a Tuesday night event at the Alpine Club in Manchester, N.H., the town's former mayor, Sylvio Dupuis, pulled Clark aside. "If you just keep coming out like this, meeting with small groups, these people are going to vote for you," Dupuis told Clark. "You're going to do all right."

Clark might have taken Dupuis' advice when he asked the crowd at a rally the next day in Portland, Maine, for their help in spreading the word on his campaign. "I need your commitment. I need your friends, your family, your colleagues, your business acquaintances. I need 'em next door in New Hampshire," said Clark.

As he enters his tenth week on the trail, Clark and his campaign have become more adept at generating the all-important buzz. The candidate has met privately with Hollywood heavyweights like Madonna and Jennifer Lopez, and celebrities like actor Ed Norton and REM singer Michael Stipe attended a recent Manhattan fundraiser.

While the "Material Girl" hasn't officially endorsed Clark, she's met with him twice, giving him the unofficial "OK" to mention her name at events. When asked how he would generate excitement during the primary campaign season, Clark responded, "I'm going to do everything I can to make it as exciting, interesting and fun as possible. I was even talking with Madonna - Madonna - yesterday."

Next week, Clark will unveil his "Turnaround Plan for America," in which he will set specific goals on five domestic issues he says will be fulfilled by the end of a Clark administration's first term. How can the campaign make serious issues like the economy, health care and the environment fun and exciting? Putting the general in an RV with "Clark '04" emblazoned not-so-subtly on the side for three days and calling it a "tour" is a good start.

Of course, it isn't all fun and games for the campaign or for the voters. To qualify his Madonna reference on Tuesday, Clark went on to say, "But seriously, we have to recognize as Americans first how important this election is. This election is about the future of America in a way that no other election has been."

Even if Clark may not lead a pep rally very well, most voters still say it's substance that matters. After Wednesday night's question and answer forum at Exeter Academy in New Hampshire, audience member and undecided voter Ann Kaiser compared Clark to the other candidates she's seen.

"Dean and Edwards have a lot more energy, it appears, than Clark or Gephardt do," Kaiser said. "But, you know, a high energy person doesn't necessarily appeal to everybody," and Clark, she added, is "certainly very intelligent and can think on his feet."



TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; failing; puppet; wesleyclark
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"When you're making a hundred thousand or less, and you've got a family of four, and you're struggling with car payments, house payments, tuition, clothing, and sickness, you're only - much of America is sort of one family emergency away from no savings and bankruptcy."
1 posted on 12/04/2003 3:46:37 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
The candidate has met privately with Hollywood heavyweights like Madonna and Jennifer Lopez, and celebrities like actor Ed Norton and REM singer Michael Stipe attended a recent Manhattan fundraiser

J Lo is a HEAVYWEIGHT in the buttee. Madonna and Ed Norton are not heavyweights in the brains or buttee department. I have never heard of Michael Stipe.... but I have heard of that OLD has been band REM.....
2 posted on 12/04/2003 3:48:35 PM PST by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary? Me Neither!!!!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Question:
Could a true Republican candidate go to Hollywood and pretend to listen to their sh*t and garner their support?

Because Clark WAS a Repubbie until just recently......
3 posted on 12/04/2003 3:50:26 PM PST by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary? Me Neither!!!!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I am normaly a big supporter of our military. However, when I think about how Clark managed to get 4 stars and the power that goes with it, it scares me. At one time, this guy controlled a lot of military force. Scary.
4 posted on 12/04/2003 3:51:21 PM PST by Blue Screen of Death (,/i)
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To: Blue Screen of Death
He had help.
5 posted on 12/04/2003 3:54:10 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"According to retired Gen. Wesley Clark, when a jet takes off from an aircraft carrier, it "sags" towards the ocean as the pilot hits the afterburner."

Another baldface lie from the Clark campaign. Afterburners are selected before the aircraft begins it's catapult cycle, NOT after it leaves the deck. The aircraft sags until enough air is collected under the wing to generate lift.

So, Clark's metaphore fails on it's face, as any Navy or Marine pilot who lit burners after the Cat cycle would never get launched, or if they did through dozens of failures of the deck crew, would lose his wings were he to survive to make it back.

Were I back on the fantail doing my LSO duties, my call for Clark would be "Eject, Eject, EJECT!!

He is going down.

6 posted on 12/04/2003 3:56:04 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: buffyt; Tumbleweed_Connection
During WWII, Torcy, the nom-de-guerre of Charles de Gaulle' aide, was asked by British principles:
"What are the General's ideas?"
"Ideas? Why he has none."
"What? We meant his political doctrine."
"He has none. His ambition -- we know what his ambition is. But his ideas? None." (See Robert Mengin, "No Laurels for de Gaulle")

Does this sound familiar?
7 posted on 12/04/2003 4:00:15 PM PST by gaspar
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"According to retired Gen. Wesley Clark, when a jet takes off from an aircraft carrier, it "sags" towards the ocean as the pilot hits the afterburner"

So the perfumed prince is now a tailhook wannabee? In fact, his campaign just took a cold cat shot, both burners blew out 500 yards off the bow and the nozzles are stuck open. He is sagging real pretty, yes indeed. Since his seat pins are still in, [Hillary was his plane captain]he ain't shelling out and he WILL be run over by the boat. Next [Democrat]candidate.

8 posted on 12/04/2003 4:06:46 PM PST by Bedford Forrest (Roger, Contact, Judy, Out. Fox One. Splash one.<I>)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Here comes the full Clintonoid/Hollywood/media onslaught to try and stop a Dean debacle. It's gonna be WesleyVision on our TV sets from now on.
9 posted on 12/04/2003 4:09:36 PM PST by Jhensy
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"...Clark, she added, is "certainly very intelligent and can think on his feet."

Yes he can: "MARY, HELP!"

10 posted on 12/04/2003 4:09:39 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (Freedom isn't Free - Support those who ensure it!)
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The aircraft sags until enough air is collected under the wing to generate lift.

Don't you mean it sags until enough air flows over the wings to generate lift?

11 posted on 12/04/2003 4:12:48 PM PST by KevinB
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To: Bedford Forrest
[Hillary was his plane captain]

As a former plane captain, I will resent that comment when I quit laughing. Otherwise, ok, 2.

12 posted on 12/04/2003 4:15:27 PM PST by magslinger (Don't force it, use a bigger hammer!)
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To: KevinB
No, I do not. The overwing air is there. Most carrier aircraft can fly at lower speeds than they get from the Cat shot, but at a much higher Alpha. Being held down to the carrier during the launch prevents the necessary rotation to that Alpha until the aircraft leaves the deck.

The underwing pressure differential is what is missing. Turbulent air is caught between the wing and the flight deck during the cycle which does not contribute to the pressure differential. The difference between the two is what causes lift. At the high Alpha of a Cat launch, the underwing air is more important. The change occurs when there is no flightdeck in the way. Think ground-effect in reverse.

13 posted on 12/04/2003 4:21:25 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Blue Screen of Death
Generals are often selected by politicians, especially 4 star generals. It is a very political enviornment at the top. We lucked out big time with Tommy Franks and Scotty Wallace.
14 posted on 12/04/2003 4:23:22 PM PST by There's millions of'em (Bill Clinton was a great Democrat President)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
This nitwit is flying in the fog inverted, this alleged leader makes a mockery of his prior position, he is acting like wuss, I guess a trait he learned from the ex scumbag in chief.
15 posted on 12/04/2003 4:24:20 PM PST by boomop1
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To: Pukin Dog
Obviously the guy has never seen footage of a TARPS bird taking off where the pilot forgot to click in some nose down trim. Yuck, Yuck.
16 posted on 12/04/2003 4:28:25 PM PST by USNBandit
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Would not be the first time. Oh the stories I could tell...
17 posted on 12/04/2003 4:33:49 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: There's millions of'em
We lucked out big time with Tommy Franks and Scotty Wallace.

Amen. Favourite picture of Franks. He's at Bagram with two friends of mine. They are all wearing the black fleece jacket as an outer garment (makes perfect sense, so it is forbidden by the garrison wallahs). They pose for a picture, the three of them -- a general and two NCOs -- with a sign that says ABSOLUTELY NO BLACK FLEECE JACKETS WILL BE WORN (or words to the effect).

The photo was Franks's idea, IIRC.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

18 posted on 12/05/2003 12:42:39 AM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Clark shows what is wrong with our military bureaucracy. That a brain dead idiot can become a general is amazing.
19 posted on 12/05/2003 12:44:20 AM PST by Fledermaus (Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
The General Learns To Make A Buzz

Beano's supposed to be good for fixing that.

20 posted on 12/05/2003 12:51:37 AM PST by RichInOC ("How about some more beans, Mr. Taggart?" "I'd say you've had enough!")
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