Posted on 12/04/2003 7:47:02 PM PST by pollywog
Those 'fits' they suffer are anger, rage. They (collective autistics) have a very real problem conveying their emotions.
Anger is the 'squeaky wheel' we all recognize. It's effective.
Perhaps they normally died young before the invention of all kinds of medicines.
There is no cure...medicine will not help...Autistics are Uber-focused. No outside help available...they are true to themselves.
Perhaps if you had a child with autism, you'd understand there is no health deficiency/problems. This is not Downs or Fragile X.
Perhaps they normally died young before the invention of all kinds of medicines.
Perhaps their parents, unable to 'deal' with their 'troublesome' behavior, left them 'in the woods' to let "Nature take its' course."
Not me.
while the mother is trained to do the procedures, she does not sleep at night, because the child must be cared for at all hours
I have never asked for nor received services from 'The State.'
Autism is hell.
this is a good, and worthy program. It also saves the state money in the long run- but by far the biggest benefit is that it allows these children to stay with their families
Well said.
(YOU)If he were my son, I would drive him the 200 miles to the therapist. Why can't you? Here in West Texas, we think nothing of driving 250 miles just to go shopping or to eat at an Olive Garden for goodness' sakes.
We have taken our son to every expert between PHX and San Diego. So don't worry, we aren't neglecting his needs. The point was simply, there are very few services available, even if you live in PHX.
The private providers are so busy you get on a waiting list and wait. The state was so concerned it took them 2 years to just process the physical needs claim for the kid.
With Autism, that 2 years is lost to helping the child to become functional to some degree. Parents can't afford to lose a single day in caring for Autistic kids needs. It's not a matter of laziness on our part, it's a matter of we drive the 200 miles, and there's no services available.
To top that off, a change of environment for Autistic kids is about as traumatic to them as it can get. Car rides of 3 hours and then exploring new locations are an event in themselves. Autsitic kids have to be introduced to new things and environments in a slow gradual way.
Then there is the problem of office lighting. Flourescent lighting bothers Autistic kids, as they see more detail than we "normal" folks do. The best lighting for them are plain old light bulbs. Autistic people have very special needs that the average person doesn't even think about and doesn't take into consideration.
So that little 200 mile trip can do more damage to the kid by traumatizing him due to overexposure, to people, strange environments, elevators, traffic, road noise and so on.
It took us a year to be able to take him into a store like Target for instance. We had to go late at night when there weren't many folks inside. Walk him inside, then out again and back home. We eased him into the environment a little further each time, always standing on both sides of him, holding his hands for security and to calm him.
At least now he can go into a moderately quiet store. Forget Walmart, Sears or anywhere for that matter where it's busy. And then there's those damned flourescent lights they all have.
I'm not complaining, but if we don't look out for his needs, then it sure as hell won't be the state or the school district or most anyone else. No one seems to give a crap about developmentally disable kids, except parents of those kids, a few doctors/therapists. I don't expect other parents to even be concerned, but people had better start getting boned up on this stuff, cause it can strike anyone's family.
And yes we have teamed together with other parents to share info, contacts, give and get advise, and fight the battle for the kids.
Autism is on the rise in America and that rise cannot be explained by the so-called experts. In my place of employment there are many families with Autistic children. And that is not unusual for a lot of places.
Maybe it's in the water, or the dust in the air? Maybe it's the fast food, or grandma's apple pie? Take a guess, then you can be an expert too. No one knows.
Sorry to go on a rant. But someone has too.
These Autistic kids are not stupid, they are quite intelligent, but they seldom have communication skills that are equal to their ages, which makes it difficult to tell what their needs really are. It's an adventure!
>>And people never dealt with autism before the government took over?
Aw come on. Of course Autism was dealt with in the old days. They called them "INSANE ASYLUMS". You know, those private places where the inmates were often physically and mentally abused in the old days?
Autistic kids aren't nuts, nor insane. They just can't express their thoughts because they are so entangled in their brains.
If I told you to look 'UNDER' the table for something. You'd know exactly what to do. For an Autistic kid, they have to work that simply direction through various paths to get the same understanding. They might think 'UNDER", ok what is 'UNDER', a submarine, then they picture a submarine to evaluate the direction. Put that with the words look and table and then can look under the table.
But to folks that don't know....well those kids must be crazy and need to be in a nut house. When in reality, parents and doctors need help in working out those problems with the kids.
Go down to your local elementary school and hang out in the special education classes. What you'll see are a few teacher aides doing their best to work with these kids with no training or guidance, unless it is forced on them by a court order.
But ignor that stuff, watch the kids. Learn something.
1. People must be responsible for themselves, their own families and the actions or inactions of said families.
2. People cannot rely on a government agency and tax dollars to pay for or provide assistance they might need.
3. California and many other states are plain old broke, cuts have to be made rather than increase taxes.
4. Tough luck to parents in their 60's/70's who have developmentally disabled children, find someone who will help you, on your own. It's your problem and you should handle it.
5. Those same older parents, who worked all of their adult lives and paid in Social Security, and now are trying to live on that meager income, should not only do that, but pay for their disabled childs care and needs out of their pocket for the rest of their lives. Even if that means they have to live in a tent on the river and eat the fish they can catch.
6. When those parents die, someone can come along and drown the kid because no one is going to take care of them and we can't have those kind of people roaming the streets, annoying us healthy over-taxed people.
7. Everyone has a different perspective. You can't argue with another persons perspective, because everyone is right, at least in their own minds.
8. This discussion has served it's purpose, divide a group of people into categories and thus divide their cause, known as conservativism.
9. Who needs opponents, when we have ourselves.
See what I mean? This discussion has gotten silly.
Of course we all care about Autistic children/adults. Families of developmentally disabled kids aren't living off of the public teat. They are overwhelmed by the tasks they are trying to endure. They work, they pay taxes, they have no free time, no dinners, no movies, no private time with each other. When they aren't working they are taking care of the child with his or her special needs.
Plain simple and direct.
No one is asking you to pay or take over the care of their children. They're just asking for some trained support to give them some help in teaching, caring and training their child, so that one day he or she will be somewhat functional to live some kind of productive, happy life.
If they can get that help from volunteers, then that would be wonderful. But they are few and far between, while developmentally disabled kids are not. The services sought by those parents are there, but those programs are full or have a waiting list of applicants. Or they just can't afford the services.
What the hell do those parents do then? Go on tell them to put some untrained volunteer, friend or whoever into the environment and turn them loose with the child.
Now you have exposed your child to danger, because that volunteer doesn't know crapola about what to do if this or that happens.
Those parents are in a precarious position. They are just like those other parents when it comes to paying taxes and government waste. That's why they are members of Free Republic, they are like minded individuals.
Yet some here, aren't listening. They are one minded, not listening to the needs being expressed. Those parents are overwhelmed by the tasks before them. If the experts, the Doctors, psychiatrists, therapists, don't know how to help, or those that can help aren't available to help, then what? Do we open up the insane asylums again and locked all of the kids up?
I have news for those of you that are of that mind. 50% of the populations in the United States have some form of a mental problem. That's right 50%. Don't believe me, ask a psychiatrist, or the FBI or whoever you feel like you can trust. But it's true. Where do you draw the line in those people not having the ability to have some form of mental and or physical health care? Maybe it gets down to all of those folks with a mild form of depression. Oops! now they're draggin you off too.
You can't stop once you start. The line has to be drawn somewhere.
Back in the 80's California cut mental health care funding back and they turned loose a bunch of people from the state mental hospitals. Talk to the local Welfare case workers that had to manage those folks cases. It hasn't been fun at all to have those people turned loose on society.
Anything could have happened, and anything did happen and still is happening. Many of them were/are quite dangerous, so bad in fact that some case workers had been taken hostage, had guns drawn on them, or even shot with bow and arrows!
See folks this stuff snowballs, it isn't just a matter of taxes being raised or lowered, it's a matter on what does America want it's society to be like? Is it safe to go out on the street? What happens if pollywogs son gets out of the house at night and wanders the streets?
Will the cops recognize he's Autistic? Probably not. Will he get arrested for not coooperating with the police, or will he get beaten by then because he resisted them, when he was just being Autistic? Will he walk into someone else's house, not knowing any better, trying to find his home?
I'm not being silly here, these things have happens to Autistic kids, because they got out on their own, with no one around to help them that knew anything about developmentally disabled kids.
The real purpose of this thread was to discuss the cutback in services to people that really do need help. Nothing more, nothing less. If you want to fend for yourselves, that's wonderful, if someone really does need help and the untrained volunteer can't help or won't help or there are none, then shouldn't there be an option for that parent?
Don't you want the society you live in to actually be a society that cares about helping others, when they can? Isn't this more of a moral issue and wasn't America founded on certain moral standards? If you think this doesn't apply and it's all about taxes, then maybe we should take GOD's name out of everything in the American system and turn it over to the crackpot liberals. ....RANT OFF
It's been 25 years. Why haven't you become a trained individual after all this time? Shame on you.
Excellent ideas. Am dubious that they'll be followed up however. Easier to bemoan, bitch and demand taxpayer goodies rather than being proactive.
I know there are different degrees of autism and a few "high-functioning" autistics can hold good jobs. Most however, cannot, and parents may be unable to accept that fact. They can't accept the fact that, at best, their children will work in a sheltered workshop stuffing envelopes or the like. Frankly, I do question the wisdom of continuing to try to educate an 16-year-old still in pullups! After a certain point in time, it is obvious that a child is uneducatable. If the school wants to give the parents a break, just put the kids in a big room with toys and whatnot and let them play under supervision. Attempting to "educate" them is just an exercise in futility, a waste of time and, yes, money. And, yes, I do know that they have a "right" to an education, even if it is a waste of time.
No, we need to start encouraging people to think outside the box for solutions to problems before they come along. There are solutions out there that will be beneficial for all. In this particular case there may need to be some continued state help, I don't know. I do know that we as a society do need to change our ways of dealing with the difficulties raising severely disabled children.
We have become so dependent on the government to fix things that we (society in general) can't figure out solutions for ourselves. That is scary.
Thanks! I think this issue highlights the real problem this nation faces. That is the ability to think outside the box and come up with solutions for ourselves. We have become so indoctrinated with the government solutions to our problems that when crises come up we have a very difficult time figuring things out.
I am speaking in generalities here.
It's a repetitive process, having to show an Autistic kid how to do things over and over. Phonics can't be used to teach them to read, they learn reading by whole words or sentences. But they can be taught to read. Autistic kids can operate complicated devices when properly shown how. Many are excellent as computer operators. It's all orderly and logical to them. Makes sense.
It bothers me if someone wants to just write off their education. In Arizona kids get $7,000 a year to educate them. The school district takes that $7k spreads it around the whole school. Ask for a copy of their special ed budget and you'll see what a government run-around is all about.
In the meantime the parent is grasping for anything to help their child out.
We don't have our hand out for your tax dollars, most of these parents don't. But if private help isn't available, then something needs to be done. We as a society cannot afford to just hide these people in a backroom and ignore them.
If I get too old to care for my kid, I am concerned what will happen to him. So I am already preplanning for that time. Not that I think we can afford it, but someone that won't abuse the kid and who has knowledge of his abilities, and deficits needs to be around to care for him.
If not, an innocent person, namely that autistic boy will be hurt by this society.
It may not be the problem of others in America and maybe they shouldn't be burdened by this problem? But then again maybe it is everyone's problem, morally?
I know where you are coming from believe it or not. I have worked in "the system" as a case manager. There are all kinds of truly disabled people out there. I know there needs to be a safety net in place, I also know that by abdicating the control of the safety net to the government it makes us( just speaking in general here) mentally lazy to come up with working solutions ourselves.
What is wrong with proactively banding together with other parents/ professionals/ paraprofessionals to provide the solutions you need without depending on government agencies? My point is make it available if that is what you need. Just from reading this particular thread you aren't the only one with a need in this area.
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