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MTV generation's 'black holes of history' blamed on Hollywood (Distorted barf alert)
NEWS.SCOTSMAN.COM ^ | Sun 7 Dec 2003 | CLAIRE GARDNER

Posted on 12/08/2003 7:57:41 PM PST by jrushing

HISTORY may be written by the victors but it is being adapted for the MTV generation by Hollywood and the media.

Widespread misconceptions, prejudice and outright ignorance about major events of the past six decades have been revealed in a major study of undergraduates in the UK, USA and Germany.

The Scottish academic who carried out the work says factually inaccurate movies and biased news reporting is skewing young people’s grasp of recent history.

Greg Philo, professor of communications at Glasgow University, also blames a lack of teaching of history and politics in British schools for what he has dubbed "black holes of history".

Philo set questions to a selection of 750 randomly picked students across Britain, Germany and the USA aged between 17 and 21. The questions ranged from details of the Second World War to the September 11 terror attacks and will be published in full in his new book Tell Me Lies.

One of the questions put to undergraduates was which country suffered the highest casualty rate in the Vietnam war? Around a third of students in all three countries believed that US forces suffered the highest losses. In fact, there were 60,000 American deaths compared with the loss of two million Vietnamese, a ratio of 33 to one.

Philo claims Hollywood action movies must take some of the blame for the students’ distorted views.

He said: "They are generally all about the suffering of American soldiers and the demonisation of the Vietnamese and what the Americans did to the population was not discussed.

"The problem is that people do not have the historical facts which allow them to distinguish between fact and Hollywood-spun fiction so they just believe what they see at the movies."

The British and American students were then asked how many lives were lost in the September 11 terror attacks. The vast majority - 93% - correctly answered that it was about 3,000.

The same students were asked how many people were estimated to have been killed during bombing raids in Afghanistan in the subsequent war. Only 2% of the students knew the correct answer: approximately 20,000.

To Philo, this gap in the students’ knowledge should be partly laid at the door of broadcasters. He said: "There was obviously a huge amount of coverage on September 11 and it was so close to home that no one could fail to know about the event. Afghanistan deaths did not really feature in any big way."

Asked "In the Second World War, which allied country defeated the most German divisions?" just 18% of US and 29% of British gave the correct answer as the Soviet Union in contrast to the 73% of Germany students who answered correctly.

Nearly half the British students and 65% of US students thought the answer was Britain or the US. In fact, the Soviets defeated more than three times as many German divisions as their western allies.

The research also found widespread ignorance when students were asked what were the Gulags in the Soviet Union. Only 5% of British students and 8% of Americans knew that they were slave camps established by Stalin. Again, German students appeared better informed with 30% knowing the correct answer.

Analysing the data Philo said he blamed the education system, media outlets and misleading films for the level of historical ignorance.

He said: "In Germany, history and politics is compulsory in school until 17 and I think this is reflected in the results."

Dr Thomas Weber, who specialises in British and German history and modern anti-semitism at the University of Glasgow, said he was not surprised by the levels of ignorance.

"It’s shocking but not surprising. Many students who come here don’t really have much of a clue about current or historical events."


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: history; politics; usa; vietnam
Around a third of students in all three countries believed that US forces suffered the highest losses. In fact, there were 60,000 American deaths compared with the loss of two million Vietnamese, a ratio of 33 to one.


They fail to mention that most of the 2 million VC died while trying to enslave a whole country into Communism! This is a sad example of moral equivalence. (ie Both Vietnamese & Americans suffered so they must be equal--both guilty!)

1 posted on 12/08/2003 7:57:43 PM PST by jrushing
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To: jrushing
I'm not as concerned by someone not knowing how many were killed in the Afghan war as I would be by someone not understanding why we went to war in the first place.
2 posted on 12/08/2003 8:02:24 PM PST by Brett66
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To: jrushing
"it's shocking ,but not surprising" pleasantly reminds me of Schindlers appraisal of fin de siecle Vienna's political "situation hopeless but not serious".
3 posted on 12/08/2003 8:08:55 PM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: jrushing
RE: Russia
I for one was shocked to first read about the battle of Stalingrad, and the condition of the soliders(on my own, after taking history classes in HS that mostly dealt with the US portion of the war). It is a testament to our great and lucky nation that our soliders never had to endure such abject misery and dehumanization. That said, dead is still dead, the ultimate price was paid on all sides by many, many people, soliders and civilians alike.
4 posted on 12/08/2003 8:12:13 PM PST by Unassuaged
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To: jrushing
The same students were asked how many people were estimated to have been killed during bombing raids in Afghanistan in the subsequent war. Only 2% of the students knew the correct answer: approximately 20,000.

I wonder where they got this number, are they lumping Al Qaida and the Taliban in with the civilian population? I remember a study by a leftist professor from UNH(?) that concluded 4,000 civillian casulties, and it was a widely touted figure afterwards. His sources of course came from Al-Jazeera and Taliban officials claiming civilian casualites. I was thought the real number was more like two to five hundred.

5 posted on 12/08/2003 8:22:28 PM PST by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: jrushing
The same students were asked how many people were estimated to have been killed during bombing raids in Afghanistan in the subsequent war. Only 2% of the students knew the correct answer: approximately 20,000.

If this is the kind of BS being peddled as "history," then ignorance is truly bliss.

6 posted on 12/08/2003 8:23:48 PM PST by pierrem15
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To: jrushing
It's a frickin movie! It's sad and VERY lazy if anyone looks at Hollywood to be their teacher.
The Sound of Music not only changed the kids name, they either added or bumped off a few.

Marie didn't ski their way out of Nazi Austria, they took the train.

Anyway, Conservatives believe history repeats itself. Liberals believe some how they are magically beyond this.

Whose the fool?
7 posted on 12/08/2003 8:27:52 PM PST by lizma
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To: jrushing
Very bias questioning. As bad as some of our schools are I think that American students would wimp Germans students on average.
8 posted on 12/08/2003 8:30:45 PM PST by afuturegovernor
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To: jrushing
He said: "In Germany, history and politics is compulsory in school until 17 and I think this is reflected in the results."

A better explanation is that two of the questions directly pertained to Germany and the experiences of their direct relatives.

9 posted on 12/08/2003 8:33:27 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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"...approximately 20,000...." "I wonder where they got this number..."

Me, too. It seems way inflated.

10 posted on 12/08/2003 8:36:54 PM PST by Irene Adler
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To: jrushing
That 2 million is the figure that the Norht Vietnamese fave after the war. The real figure is likely half that.
11 posted on 12/08/2003 8:49:15 PM PST by CasearianDaoist
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To: jrushing
That 2 million is the figure that the North Vietnamese gave after the war. The real figure is likely half that.
12 posted on 12/08/2003 9:03:06 PM PST by CasearianDaoist
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Philo claims Hollywood action movies must take some of the blame for the students’ distorted views.

He said: "They are generally all about the suffering of American soldiers and the demonisation of the Vietnamese and what the Americans did to the population was not discussed.

When I think Vietnam action movie, the picture that comes to mind is Rambo or maybe Chuck Norris singlehandedly mowing down the entire gook army.

Which movies was this guy watching? If the good guys don't slaughter the bad guys, it isn't an action movie at all - it's a historical film or maybe a drama.

13 posted on 12/09/2003 2:34:16 AM PST by CGTRWK
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To: Unassuaged
It's true and it's not right to downplay the role that Russia played in defeating the Nazis.

But there are other facts that permitted the Nazis to kill so many Russian soldiers and civilians chief among them Stalin's incompetence in running the war and murdering most of Russia's best officers a few years before the war. Stalin still didn't react to the German invasion until weeks after the initial attack. And millions of ill-trained Russian troops were slaughtered through inept strategy and merciless punishment by the NKVD. Still Russia's role in defeating the Nazis has been underplayed for decades.

Remember though that Britain and the U.S were also fighting the Germans AND the Japanese on two other fronts plus the sea warfare. Additionally we gave or loaned Russian millions in supplies and equipment. Russia also likes to portray itself as the sole heroes of WWII, however that is not totally accurate. But we should give credit where credit is due. They did kill most of the Germans.

14 posted on 12/09/2003 4:20:49 AM PST by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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