Posted on 12/09/2003 2:21:44 PM PST by swilhelm73
You still don't get it.
Governments have no power. NO government has ever had any power... no power at all. The people have the power. They give it to the government. You can't even see that the Soviet Union had no power. The day the people stopped supporting the Soviet Union, it ceased to have any power and collapsed.
You, like most people who can not see the forest for the trees, argue that governments have power. They have none except what the people give them. The King (Czar) of Russia was an absolute ruler until the people decided they would rather have communism and replaced him with Lenin.
And your belief in constitutions is silly. All the constitutions in the world can't keep a government in power.You spout platitudes about pieces of paper. Those pieces of paper you worship are of no more value than the German Constitution when the German public decided they wanted Adolf Hitler as Fuher. Hitler just tore them up.. with the public's approval... and those documents were gone. They were replaced with the Third Reich.
If we are a Constitutional Republic with a governing Constitution then why does that constitution mean what ever a majority of the nine justices say it means? How many times does the Supreme court have to rule the constitution says things eveyone knows it does not say before you learn it is what the judges say, not the words in the constitution that count.
You believe the bull crap they tell the suckers... No need to persuade the public... Just quote the constitution and look to the rule of law.
Enough, Go Away. "The People" decided nothing when it came to the Bolsheviks ruling them. If you believe that then you are indeed on the wrong site sir!
Unless choice and accountability return to the way in which Americans think about the relationship of government to the people, it will never be possible to move this country to smaller government. The Left has convinced large sectors of the American public that it isn't safe for them to make their own choices, that it's much better to have choices made for them by Nanny. Likewise, the Left has encouraged the idea that someone else is responsible for my life, and that if I fail or suffer or even have to change jobs, somebody has done me wrong -- "uncaring" Republicans or "the rich" or "corporate fatcats," yada, yada, yada.
So I see Bush's willingness to live with "big government" while trying to nudge it towards a greater recognition of choice and responsibility as a necessary move to re-educate the American people for liberty. As other posters have pointed out, there's no point blaming Bush -- what's needed is an electorate that wants smaller government, and that we don't have. Or rather, the Reagen Revolution and the 1994 congressional elections both show that Americans are not closed to the idea of smaller government, and can even be attracted by it, but they have only a very limited sense of what "smaller government" might mean.
The 90's welfare reform was a start. We now know that we will not have little children with swollen tummies on every street corner without the federal welfare entitlement. That was the most important conservative accomplishment of the nineties.
The big issue now is Social Security. This country really needs about twenty-thirty years seeing that ordinary people can handle individual retirement accounts and do well with them -- that would do more to make smaller government politically imagineable than any amount of libertarian rhetoric. Social Security is after all the symbolic center of the Left's myth that it isn't safe to make your own choices -- "if you do, you'll be turned out in the streets in your old age and have to go the poorhouse and live on gruel." Demystifying Social Security is a cultural prerequisite in the United States to moving toward smaller government.
I've been reading reports that the Bush people are actually planning to move on SS reform before the election and make it a campaign issue. That is truly bold and truly important.
The other case in point is Bush's commitment to cutting taxes. The fact is that low taxes do not automatically mean less government, since the economic growth encouraged by low taxes may actually increase revenue even when rates of taxation are lowered. But the commitment to low taxes says something that is even more basic than slowing the rate of government growth -- "the money you earn is yours, the government's claim to a portion of it has limits, and you can be trusted to use it in reasonable ways that will serve the common good in the end."
Where I disagree with Barone is the assumption that Bush doesn't care about reducing government. He has said repeatedly that the government is too big and I don't see any reason to doubt is sincerity. He probably isn't as anti-government as some folk on this forum -- his political ancestors are more Henry Clay and Daniel Webster than the radical Jeffersonians. But you don't have to be a Rothbard anarchist to believe that the Federal Government is bloated in ways that harm the country. However, if we accept the premise that one president cannot overturn the last 75 years-development of government in the United States, that there is no other road to smaller government than a long road, Bush's approach seems as reasonable to me as any other.
This Dumb ass war is the reason he made a deal with TK on the Education bill and did the same on this insance Elderly Drug bill! Also the reason he short changed conservative appellate nominnees! He keeps big government at home big and makes it even bigger while he gets his wars abroad! That is the way of the Welfare/Warfare state! That is the deal he has struck!
I don't think its worth shouting over this chasm. We live in different worlds, apparently, though I hope that we will intersect at the voting booth at least one more time.
Merry Christmas!
No. That doesn't seem to be true. The perspective is much shorter on these things. And President Bush is not a world-historical figure, or an epochmaker in American politics. He took the White House from them. It hurts. They resent it. And they don't feel he earned it -- because they don't respect him personally and they don't think he had a majority or a mandate. The feelings are more embittered, but something similar usually happens when the White House changes hands from one party to another.
Common Tator is correct. The education and medical drug bill were proposed and passed because the people wanted them. Common sense would tell you this is correct, because the framework of both bills were promised by candidate Bush long BEFORE the elections and 9-11.
The war in Iraq was caused by 9-11 and Muslim hatred of America. Saddam controlling such a large percentage of the world's oil was a danger to our survival.
It must be scary for people who believe conspiracies rule the world instead of voters. Then again, it maybe more terrible for some to admit that most voters do not think like they do.
I hate to blow the cover off of your dream cartoon but have you asked yourself
Do you actually believe what you're saying and/or do you think the politicians would permit the Patriot Act to expire in 2005?
Simple answer: It will never expire and the controlling authority of it will continually grow on the American people. President Bush and Tom Ridge will be remembered for a long time by our children, that's a promise!
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