Posted on 12/10/2003 8:57:44 PM PST by jwalsh07
11 Republican Senators who voted for the BCFA of 2002:
McCain, Fitzgerald, Lugar, Collins, Snowe, Cochran, Domenicic, Spector, Chafee, Thompson Warner
41 Republican House Members voted for the BCFA of 2002:
Bohlert, Bono, Capito, Castle, Ferguson, Foley, Frelinghausen, Ganske, Gilchrest, Gilman, Graham, Greenwood, Grucci, Houghton, Horn, Johnson(CT), Johnson(IL), Kirk, LaTourette, Leach, LoBiondo, McHugh, Morella, Osborne, Ose, Petri, Platts, Quinn, Ramstad, Ros-Lehtinen, Sanders, Shays, Simmons, Smith(Mi), Thune, Upton, Walsh(not my clan), Wamp, Weldon(Pa), Wolf
One President Signed BCRA of 2002:
President Bush
Wow, you sound just like Peter Jennings.
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Yep... and like magic you expected the mass of voters demanding socialized medicine to just disappear.
I answered your hypothetical above, perhaps you would be so kind as to return the favor?
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What do imagine would happen if we could suddenly gain control of the media to the extent the left did? And universities, the entertainment industry? If these institutions moved radically to the right tomorrow and voters were consistently getting right-wing messages instead of left, what do you see happening to the American voters? More shift to the right, just given the absence of liberal indocrination they're getting, correct?
Since the two political parties always gravitate toward meeting in the middle, both parties would shift farther right-ward. The parties follow the voters, NOT the other way around as you have insisted in the past. It's a bottom-up political system and it's our job to spread our values throughout the bottom. Unfortunately, the left still has an iron-grip on those institutions and are brainwashing the millions and millions of Americans who don't question or challenge what they are being spoon-fed, but still get the same vote that we do.
Please demonstrate the large outcry from the public to give amnesty to illegal aliens that the GOP is going to pass.
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Aren't you now demanding that I as a voter follow the party? Hb
What would happen if he said something? It would make you feel better?
By saying nothing at all some could say it implies that W agrees with the ruling.
And no, it would not make me feel better. It would just show me and other conservatives where he stands on this ruling. He is the President. He can make statements regarding rulings from the highest court in the land. By not saying anything, either personally or through his speakers, on something as incredibly serious as this ruling was, is disappointing.
Make me feel better? Probably not. I am not nearly as shallow as you imply.
Anybody know what part of PA Platts represents?
My God, when will you people stop justifying every transgression by George Bush? The damn bill was unconstitutional on it's face -- "Congress shall make NO law. . . ".
He should have strapped on some balls and reached for the veto pen. He violated his oath of office as much as the legislative idiots by signing this into law. There is NO excuse.
They should all be thrown out of office. Or worse.
If he is our best opportunity, then the Republic is lost. From this atrocious law, to the Kennedy Education bill, the prescription drug giveaway bill, and countless others speeding boondogles he is taking further and deeper into the world of liberal democrats. He is spending faster that Bill Clinton. When Clinton was pushing Hillary Care socialized medicine, we fought it with everything at our disposal. Bush comes in and wants it and you roll over and ask for more.
The more this crap continues, the more determined I become to vote for ANY third party candidate REGARDLESS of the consequences.
You asked another poster about where we were and what we did when this bill was proposed. The answer is the White House was flooded with calls and letters as were those of the congresscritters. Where were you? Probably making excuses for Bush on something else.
Why? Because he swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Isn't it good enough that he do the job that he was elected to do? His first concern should not be whether he is reelected.
Bush comes in and wants it and you roll over and ask for more.
Pretty large (and not to mention nasty) assumption on your part. I don't support this personally... just as I don't support the cute little tree code my association just passed. I am a grown-up, however, and realize that sometimes my views are outnumbered. You work within the system to change as much as you can and keep analyzing strategy to try to get as much as you can in the future. That's not rolling over, that's living in reality.
Vote your third party if you wish, of course, but that is one less vote the Dems need to install President Dean. You mistake strategy for principle. Principles are the ideology, politics are the rules you play by to put that ideology into public policy. If you don't understand the difference, your ideology does the country no good whatsoever.
The answer is the White House was flooded with calls and letters as were those of the congresscritters. Where were you? Probably making excuses for Bush on something else.
Could you possibly get any more arrogant and rude? I not only fire off calls and letters to the White House and Congress, I criticize measures such as this on liberal message boards and write letters to the editors of papers... that's where real change takes place, by educating the voters who actually support these issues.
It's quite stupid for anyone here to assume that a right-winger who supports Bush agrees with everything he has done in the White House... I'm constantly surprised that someone intelligent enough to be a conservative can fail such basic logic. Cheers.
Upton - Liberal. A conservative tried to primary him last time, but to no avail.
Just noticed these posts.... you find it odd that what you call a "professed conservative" used the word temper tantrum to describe 1992 and so equate me to Jennings? Try again. I think I earned the right to call it that when I was one of those that turned away from the GOP that year and voted for Nader. I learned an important lesson in political strategy from that mistake, apparently OTHER conservatives didn't notice the 8 years of Clinton that followed.
Regarding the snide insult calling me Jennings, it's too bad you guys aren't above that garbage. I've noticed several posts on this thread that mimic Nader statements almost word for word... while I think you guys are just as misguided as Nader, I wouldn't stoop to such an idiotic smear as to pretend you shared his politics.
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