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To: SAJ
I don't know how old you are, but you're totally incorrect at placing the decline of government/presidents ignoring the Constitution, etc. at 25 years ago. FDR, for but one example, mangled the Constitution, his oath, and anything else you might decide to throw into the mix and he wasn't the first.History is valuable ONLY when one knows it.

You've misread/misunderstood what I posted to you about governments.I was reacting to your IMPLIED position, that governemts were there to fulfill your positions.want lists, since that is precisely what YOU want from the GOP. So,wanna try that one again ? And, having lived in 11 different countries, which one of those is better, now, than the USA?

An honest man or woman requires his/her government proyect him/her from foreign enemies, for one. Since even that position seems to have escaped you, I shan't go on, even thought, like you, I do know the Constitution and the ammendments, as well as quite a lot of other things you haven't mentioned; not the least of which is unvarnished historical facts.

No, at bottom, I am displeased that you are incapable of seeing that, in reality, there are only ever TWO presidential candidates, one of whom will win. One side will deliver some things that a Conservative wants, the other will do everything in his power to thwart ALL that a Conservative wants. By not voting for the glass 1/2 full, one aids and abetts the enemy. That's it, there's nothing else, this is a fact and there's just NO getting away from it, around it, or spinning it.

114 posted on 12/10/2003 11:40:35 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Your historical timeline is somewhat in error. It was Mr. Lincoln who first mangled the Constitution (although I entirely agree with you that Mr. FD Roosevelt extended the mangling to a far worse degree). My comment to this point was about the Regress -- and we can wrangle over the precise date that these clots began passing roughly 90% of their bills in the clear violation of the Constitution. In the interest of amity, I'll probably agree with any date you cite, but in any case, this ''phenomenon'' became entirely pronounced under the devil's triad -- LBJ, Nixon, and Carter -- to this day, I'm astonished that the nation survived that consecutivity of tyranny and incompetence.

As regards which country is ''better'', now, in the terms I named -- that the gov't simply follows its OWN rules, and ''allows'' the citizen to be left alone to a greater extent -- I would say (Scots-American that I am, so you may find this odd) that Ireland USED to be (the Creative Works Act of 1974 is what led to their being the computer capital of Europe, btw), and is still to some degree, although its unfortunate ratification of Maastricht makes me FAR too suspicious to live there. Ah, so where else?

An objective person will consider Iceland. Inhospitable climate, but absolutely marvelous people, and they put up with NO kwap from their gov't. Very much to be admired, and very independent folks. Equally, if one wanted to go through the process of gaining what used to be called a ''crown exemption'' (I can look up the current phrase if you like), the Balaeric Islands are worth a look -- cost of living is far too high, just like the Caymans, but still worth a look.

10 years ago, I would have said Costa Rica was a definite. Still is, except that -- courtesy of indifference on the part of the US -- Marxism is spreading like wildfire through Latin America. Chavez, Lula, the new clown in Peru, the Colombian narcoterrorists who control that nation...not for me. It'll spread northward, too, just wait.

Singapore is very interesting -- sure, they'll bust your ass if you leave a piece of gum on the sidewalk...but I don't chew gum. Capitalists down to the nth degree, the gov't leaves you alone as long as you do something productive (and, hence, pay taxes).

There are several other possibilities, couple of slots in the West Indies, and Turks and Caicos Islands for one specific. Just a rockpile, but some lovely scenery, and the weather's decent, the gov't is benign, and modern communications are very available.

As they say -- investigate BEFORE you invest...or move.

134 posted on 12/11/2003 12:13:09 AM PST by SAJ
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