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Daily Campaign Finance Reform thread

Posted on 12/11/2003 8:58:58 AM PST by Valin

Would you be willing to start a daily thread with this intent? Or conversely, a thread that is bumped to the top regularly? I would help. I have too many responsibilities to commit to hosting it. Lazamataz

To get this started my suggetion, Start putting pressure on your local rep. and senator to undo this monstrosity. Everytime you see them, ask them, What are you going to do about this? another idea, let them know that you are cutting back by 1/2 your contribution to them as a protest.

Pressure Pressure Pressure!


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: america; cfr; cfrdailythread; cfrlist; firstamendment; mccainfeingold; silence
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1 posted on 12/11/2003 8:58:58 AM PST by Valin
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To: Valin
Can we call it: 'You Can't Have Empire Abroad and Freedom at Home'?
2 posted on 12/11/2003 9:01:42 AM PST by JohnGalt ("Nothing happened on 9/11 to make the federal government more competent.")
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To: Valin; Lazamataz; proud American in Canada; Congressman Billybob; international american
ping
3 posted on 12/11/2003 9:01:44 AM PST by Valin (We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.)
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To: Lazamataz
How about "Give us back the First!" Or "Clean up Bush's mess."
5 posted on 12/11/2003 9:04:59 AM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: Valin
This is a great idea! I am also going to call Elton Gallegly,(R)Simi Valley, CA. and ask him what can be done. I ain't rolling over on this one.
6 posted on 12/11/2003 9:06:46 AM PST by international american
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To: Valin
This is a great idea! I am also going to call Elton Gallegly,(R)Simi Valley, CA. and ask him what can be done. I ain't rolling over on this one.
7 posted on 12/11/2003 9:07:31 AM PST by international american
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To: Valin
Excellent idea... This is what we need.

I don't really know how to start a ping list, so I wouldn't be a great choice to start a thread every day, although I can bump it to the top every day, and interested persons could check in regularly and post activities/updates/progress.
8 posted on 12/11/2003 9:08:17 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Valin; jwalsh07
Here's some information to include in the body of your thread tomorrow. I suggest we let the thread 'body' evolve for a few days, with us adding contact numbers and information, then when you feel you have it nailed down, publish a thread you bump for a few weeks. Then author another identical thread when the thread numbers get too high. And so on.

Here's the info:

11 Republican Senators who voted for the BCFA of 2002:

McCain, Fitzgerald, Lugar, Collins, Snowe, Cochran, Domenicic, Spector, Chafee, Thompson Warner

41 Republican House Members voted for the BCFA of 2002:

Bohlert, Bono, Capito, Castle, Ferguson, Foley, 
Frelinghausen, Ganske, Gilchrest, Gilman, Graham, 
Greenwood, Grucci, Houghton, Horn, Johnson(CT), Johnson
(IL), Kirk, LaTourette, Leach, LoBiondo, McHugh, Morella, 
Osborne, Ose, Petri, Platts, Quinn, Ramstad, Ros-Lehtinen, 
Sanders, Shays, Simmons, Smith(Mi), Thune, Upton, Walsh, 
Wamp, Weldon(Pa), Wolf

One President Signed BCRA of 2002:

President Bush

9 posted on 12/11/2003 9:08:22 AM PST by Lazamataz (Hillary Clinton is a CLINQUANT without the LINQA.)
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To: Jim Robinson
This -- right here -- is the highest and best use for your creation, Free Republic.
10 posted on 12/11/2003 9:09:49 AM PST by Lazamataz (Hillary Clinton is a CLINQUANT without the LINQA.)
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To: Starwind
Thanks for your great reply. I'm putting it in this thread so we can use it in our emails/letters.

"Shouldn't be difficult (logistically) to recind.

It's only a federal regulation, and everything was constitutional prior to its passge and would be equally constitutional upon its recision.

A 1-liner, such as:
"By majority vote of Congress, CFR and all associated regulatory changes are hereby recinded"

Signed into Law, this day ________________ (Pres George W. Bush)."
11 posted on 12/11/2003 9:09:51 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Valin
CFR Bump.

Back tonight, got to go pretend I'm working.

Have fun play nice be good...well not too good.
12 posted on 12/11/2003 9:11:25 AM PST by Valin (We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.)
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To: Lazamataz
"This -- right here -- is the highest and best use for your creation, Free Republic."

Absolutely. First, discuss, then try like hell to DO something about it.

13 posted on 12/11/2003 9:13:30 AM PST by international american
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To: Valin
One point: A common mistake many people make is to overload people with info. This is a phenomenon actually proven by research. If you give them TOO MUCH info, they shut down.

Let's keep our message very edited and very trim. We will need to extract the info we present into a managable form, so as to keep people active.

14 posted on 12/11/2003 9:19:18 AM PST by Lazamataz (Hillary Clinton is a CLINQUANT without the LINQA.)
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To: Mr. Bird
ping! :)
15 posted on 12/11/2003 9:19:22 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: international american
"First, discuss, then try like hell to DO something about it."

exactly!

And what's so great about FR is that it took fewer than 24 hours to get something started.
16 posted on 12/11/2003 9:20:47 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: proud American in Canada
May I suggest a standard letter to your rep if he/she voted for it?: "I noticed your vote on CFR and hear your laments about the evil influence of money on politics. Heeding your warning, I'll refrain from sending you any more of it."
17 posted on 12/11/2003 9:24:20 AM PST by Mr. Bird
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To: All
This post serves as a bump and as an expression of hope that just as many freepers are interested in doing something to get rid of this "monstrosity," as Valin so well described it, as they were in fighting each other on various threads yesterday & this a.m.
18 posted on 12/11/2003 9:25:42 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Mr. Bird
"May I suggest a standard letter to your rep if he/she voted for it?: "I noticed your vote on CFR and hear your laments about the evil influence of money on politics. Heeding your warning, I'll refrain from sending you any more of it."

LOL! My rep is Pat Schroeder's heir: Diana DeGette. I already refrain from sending her $. :)

However, Tom Tancredo is nearby and used to appear often on Mike Rosen's AM radio show. Perhaps I'll write Mr. Tancredo and suggest that he start this bill to repeal CFR on the first day of the next session... If we can get something going on Rosen's show, perhaps this can snowball.
19 posted on 12/11/2003 9:35:47 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Lazamataz
My bad.

Gay marriage one week in my home state; SCOTUS protecting the Incumbents Defense Act; a Loot the Young for Free Drugs bill; a married buddy from college sent off to Iraq...

The 'raise awareness' concept without dealing with the fundamental metaphysical problem addressed in my first post will be a misuse of energy, IMO, but I am always open to ideas.
21 posted on 12/11/2003 9:42:30 AM PST by JohnGalt ("Nothing happened on 9/11 to make the federal government more competent.")
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To: JohnGalt
The 'raise awareness' concept without dealing with the fundamental metaphysical problem addressed in my first post will be a misuse of energy, IMO, but I am always open to ideas.

Consider this: A) This is not a 'raise awareness' campaign; this is a 'get off your butts and call and write and visit offices and get people who care about it elected' campaign.

B) Wihtout free speech, the ability to affect change on your other issues, dies.

22 posted on 12/11/2003 9:45:37 AM PST by Lazamataz (Hillary Clinton is a CLINQUANT without the LINQA.)
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To: Lazamataz
Also remember Zell Miller voted for it.
23 posted on 12/11/2003 9:45:46 AM PST by Dane
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To: Mr. Bird
Is there a website which shows the voting records?
I went to Americans for Democratic Action.
They only rate from a leftist perspective.
Sen.Feinstein 85%
Sen. Boxer 95%
Rep Elton Gallegly 0%
24 posted on 12/11/2003 9:46:07 AM PST by international american
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To: proud American in Canada
"However, Tom Tancredo is nearby and used to appear often on Mike Rosen's AM radio show. Perhaps I'll write Mr. Tancredo and suggest that he start this bill to repeal CFR on the first day of the next session... If we can get something going on Rosen's show, perhaps this can snowball"

Very good idea.
25 posted on 12/11/2003 9:47:54 AM PST by international american
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To: proud American in Canada
However, Tom Tancredo is nearby and used to appear often on Mike Rosen's AM radio show. Perhaps I'll write Mr. Tancredo and suggest that he start this bill to repeal CFR on the first day of the next session... If we can get something going on Rosen's show, perhaps this can snowball.

Outstanding. Please pursue.

26 posted on 12/11/2003 9:47:56 AM PST by Lazamataz (Hillary Clinton is a CLINQUANT without the LINQA.)
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To: Lazamataz
But my critique remains that the entire system is corrupt and hopeless for reform. Energies would be better spent not fighting along the narrow battlelines of CFR but across the entire front.

Is it worth electing good men (by which I mean moral) to sit in the White House? Of course, but when it comes to the single issue you have to understand the issue in greater perspective.

The role of a politician is to be re-elected. There are probably less than 70 'real' conservatives in the House and maybe, maybe 24 in the Senate. If we could not get term limits in 1994, the peak of 'our' political strength in recent times, there is no point in hoping to create momentum to 'correct' CFR.
27 posted on 12/11/2003 9:53:59 AM PST by JohnGalt ("Nothing happened on 9/11 to make the federal government more competent.")
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To: Valin
Letters and emails went out yesterday to my senators and representative urging them to repeal the CFR bill.
28 posted on 12/11/2003 9:57:00 AM PST by rustbucket
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To: Valin
Don't just concentrate on the Republicans .... We need Judges that will vote to reverse the current decision.

Here's your Senators that voted Yea........

March 20, 2002

Grouped By Vote Position

YEAs ---60
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Chafee (R-RI)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Daschle (D-SD)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Edwards (D-NC)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Graham (D-FL)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hollings (D-SC)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Miller (D-GA)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Thompson (R-TN)
Torricelli (D-NJ)
Warner (R-VA)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR)

And the Representatives

--- AYES    240 ---

Abercrombie Green (TX) Napolitano
Ackerman Greenwood Neal
Allen Grucci Oberstar
Andrews Gutierrez Obey
Baca Hall (OH) Olver
Baird Harman Ortiz
Baldacci Hastings (FL) Osborne
Baldwin Hill Ose
Barrett Hinchey Owens
Bass Hinojosa Pallone
Becerra Hoeffel Pascrell
Bentsen Holden Pastor
Bereuter Holt Payne
Berkley Honda Pelosi
Berman Hooley Petri
Berry Horn Phelps
Bishop Houghton Platts
Blagojevich Hoyer Pomeroy
Blumenauer Inslee Price (NC)
Boehlert Israel Quinn
Bonior Jackson (IL) Ramstad
Bono Jackson-Lee (TX) Rangel
Borski Jefferson Reyes
Boswell John Rivers
Boyd Johnson (CT) Rodriguez
Brady (PA) Johnson (IL) Roemer
Brown (FL) Johnson, E. B. Ros-Lehtinen
Brown (OH) Jones (OH) Ross
Capito Kanjorski Rothman
Capps Kaptur Roybal-Allard
Capuano Kennedy (RI) Rush
Cardin Kildee Sabo
Carson (IN) Kilpatrick Sanchez
Carson (OK) Kind (WI) Sanders
Castle Kirk Sandlin
Clay Kleczka Sawyer
Clayton Kucinich Schakowsky
Clement LaFalce Schiff
Clyburn Lampson Serrano
Condit Langevin Shays
Conyers Lantos Sherman
Costello Larsen (WA) Simmons
Coyne Larson (CT) Skelton
Cramer LaTourette Slaughter
Crowley Leach Smith (MI)
Cummings Lee Smith (WA)
Davis (CA) Levin Snyder
Davis (FL) Lewis (GA) Solis
Davis (IL) LoBiondo Spratt
DeFazio Lofgren Stark
DeGette Lowey Stenholm
Delahunt Lucas (KY) Strickland
DeLauro Luther Stupak
Deutsch Lynch Tanner
Dicks Maloney (CT) Tauscher
Dingell Maloney (NY) Taylor (MS)
Doggett Markey Thompson (CA)
Dooley Mascara Thune
Doyle Matheson Thurman
Edwards Matsui Tierney
Engel McCarthy (MO) Towns
Eshoo McCarthy (NY) Turner
Etheridge McCollum Udall (CO)
Evans McDermott Udall (NM)
Farr McGovern Upton
Fattah McHugh Velazquez
Ferguson McIntyre Visclosky
Filner McKinney Walsh
Foley McNulty Wamp
Ford Meehan Waters
Frank Meek (FL) Watson (CA)
Frelinghuysen Meeks (NY) Watt (NC)
Frost Menendez Waxman
Ganske Millender-McDonald Weiner
Gephardt Miller, George Weldon (PA)
Gilchrest Mink Wexler
Gilman Moore Wolf
Gonzalez Moran (VA) Woolsey
Gordon Morella Wu
Graham Nadler Wynn

--- NOT VOTING    6 ---

Brady (TX) Hefley Roukema
Cubin Riley Traficant

29 posted on 12/11/2003 9:57:04 AM PST by deport
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To: Valin
"We're corrupt, and the solution to our corruptness is to limit YOUR freedom of speech."
30 posted on 12/11/2003 10:09:49 AM PST by Guillermo (George W. Bush is a Big Government liberal)
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To: international american; Lazamataz
I just emailed and faxed the following to Mike Rosen and Tom Tancredo:

Representative Tom Tancredo
By fax (202-226-4623) and email

Dear Mr. Tancredo:

As you know, contrary to the expectations of just about everyone in the country, perhaps even of the President who signed the bill, yesterday, the Supreme Court of the United States upheld the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform bill. Thousands of conservatives in this country, including Rush Limbaugh, have decried this shocking decision that abrogates the right to political free speech just prior to an election. This law must be repealed—-and repealed immediately.

I am a former resident of Denver and enjoyed listening to you on Mike Rosen’s AM radio show. Your true conservative values are also appreciated at a grassroots conservative organization of which I am a member, FreeRepublic.com.

That is why you are the ideal Congressman to initiate a bill on the very first day of the next session, a bill to rid this country of this assault on our most fundamental Constitutional right. As one Freeper has suggested, the bill need not be complex. A simple statement to the effect that, “by a majority of Congress, Campaign Finance Reform and all associated regulatory changes are hereby rescinded.”

There are many of us who hope that President Bush signs this bill, since he broke his campaign promise in refusing to veto CFR.

I also hope that you appear on Mike Rosen’s show to discuss this issue with ordinary people. The issue is complex—I have intelligent friends who have no idea what CFR is. Additionally, perhaps because Americans enjoy so much freedom, they are apathetic about the gradual erosion of their rights, just as they are apathetic about voting. A show in which you and Mr. Rosen explain the importance of repealing this odious law might wake people up and galvanize support for your proposed repeal.

As I explained to my Canadian husband, the loss of rights by increments, like the erosion of rocks on the beach by the persistent tide, occurs so gradually that we don’t notice it. But now is the time to stand up for the First Amendment, before there’s nothing left of it.

When I was a student at the University of Colorado School of Law, I was taught that political speech should receive the highest protection. The Supreme Court failed miserably in its duty yesterday, and we must work to take back this freedom. I sincerely hope that you will help us.
31 posted on 12/11/2003 10:38:08 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: All
Okay... I now have to return to grading the 140 final exams that I have been putting off... :)

see you all later.
32 posted on 12/11/2003 10:40:37 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: proud American in Canada
Excellent letter. I hope you get a proper response.
33 posted on 12/11/2003 10:42:28 AM PST by international american
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To: Valin
I just did my bit for the day: got a call from the Republican Cong. Reelection Committee. Told the woman making the call EXACTLY why I wanted my name off their list, and told her to please pass it on.
34 posted on 12/11/2003 10:55:07 AM PST by Molly Pitcher
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To: Valin; All
This was my futile attempt to abort this abomination:

Silence, America!:

Silence, America!: for Silence, America!. 

Other Bump Lists at: Free Republic Bump List Register



35 posted on 12/11/2003 11:11:14 AM PST by backhoe (--30--)
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To: Valin
Add me to this list please thank you.
36 posted on 12/11/2003 11:11:35 AM PST by RiflemanSharpe (An American for a more socially and fiscally conservation America!)
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To: Valin; international american; Lazamataz; All
Great news!!!

I just got a reply from Mike Rosen himself: "Great idea. Rational, concise and correct."

I've NEVER received a reply from a talk radio host, so that tells me he's interested--and since he's Tom's friend, if Tom has any reservations at all, perhaps MR can talk him out of them.

Yippee! :)



37 posted on 12/11/2003 11:17:02 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Molly Pitcher
" I just did my bit for the day: got a call from the Republican Cong. Reelection Committee. Told the woman making the call EXACTLY why I wanted my name off their list, and told her to please pass it on."

bump!

Let's hope these people change their minds next session--if they want re-election next fall, that is. :)
38 posted on 12/11/2003 11:19:46 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Valin
What part of "Congress shall make no law" DON'T they understand? Idiots!
39 posted on 12/11/2003 11:20:32 AM PST by 4CJ ('Scots vie 4 tavern juices' - anagram by paulklenk, 22 Nov 2003)
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To: proud American in Canada
Is there any way a guy from commiefornia can listen to Mike Rosen on the net?

Thanks, IA
40 posted on 12/11/2003 11:23:36 AM PST by international american
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To: proud American in Canada
"I just got a reply from Mike Rosen himself: "Great idea. Rational, concise and correct.""

By the way, you just accomplished more in an hour than all of us. You lead by example!
Best regards, IA
41 posted on 12/11/2003 11:26:04 AM PST by international american
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To: proud American in Canada
In my opinion, any drive to repeal the legislation really needs President Bush's outspoken support. Karl Rove is the power behind the throne, and he holds Rep. Tancredo in low regard. I hate to be the pessimist, but I believe any repeal measure championed by Tancredo will be mugged in the shadows by Rove et al.
42 posted on 12/11/2003 11:28:57 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles
Then we broom Rove too:)
43 posted on 12/11/2003 11:44:07 AM PST by international american
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To: JCEccles
"In my opinion, any drive to repeal the legislation really needs President Bush's outspoken support."

I agree completely! I know Bush will have a bit 'splainin to do, so to speak, but yes, he needs to get behind this 100%.

I didn't know Karl Rove doesn't like Tom Tancredo--What about a co-sponsorship with a congressman Rove likes? Do you know of any favorites of Rove we can get in on this?
44 posted on 12/11/2003 11:44:36 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: international american
Thanks for your kind words!

I'm looking for a link to the KOA website to see if they have streaming audio--the last time I tried, Clear Channel had stopped streaming, but maybe it's back up again.

I'll post a link when I have it :)
45 posted on 12/11/2003 11:45:36 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: international american
Apparently one of KOA's biggest sponsor's has started up streaming audio again--good news! I don't know if you have to pay to become a member, but here's the link:

http://www.850koa.com/listen/

Mike Rosen is absolutely brilliant, by the way, and often hysterically funny. It's a great show. He discusses local and national politics. :)
46 posted on 12/11/2003 11:48:03 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: proud American in Canada
sponor's = sponsors. :)

I tried to catch it before it posted, to no avail...
47 posted on 12/11/2003 11:48:49 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Lazamataz
Your comment was in line with the Supreme Court, long ago when it still had its collective head screwed on straight. In Sweezy v. New Hampshire almot fifty years ago, it held that "freedom of speech is the most basic right, because all other rights depend on it."

Also, your earlier comment that we need to keep our message simple to avoid "information overload" is spot on.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "In Praise of Bigotry," discussion thread. (ChronWatch used a longer title than my original.)

48 posted on 12/11/2003 12:06:21 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: proud American in Canada
"Apparently one of KOA's biggest sponsor's has started up streaming audio again--good news! I don't know if you have to pay to become a member, but here's the link: "
Yes, a eyewear chain now sponsors the streaming. I signed up, no charge.

Thanks again, IA
49 posted on 12/11/2003 12:08:27 PM PST by international american
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To: Congressman Billybob
" "freedom of speech is the most basic right, because all other rights depend on it."

Bring back the good ol days, n'est pas?
You should have seen poor Laz trying to explain the above mentioned quote on another thread. Too many people just don't understand what is at stake here.
50 posted on 12/11/2003 12:12:28 PM PST by international american
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