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Posted on 12/11/2003 8:58:58 AM PST by Valin

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To: proud American in Canada
"I just got a reply from Mike Rosen himself: "Great idea. Rational, concise and correct.""

By the way, you just accomplished more in an hour than all of us. You lead by example!
Best regards, IA
41 posted on 12/11/2003 11:26:04 AM PST by international american
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To: proud American in Canada
In my opinion, any drive to repeal the legislation really needs President Bush's outspoken support. Karl Rove is the power behind the throne, and he holds Rep. Tancredo in low regard. I hate to be the pessimist, but I believe any repeal measure championed by Tancredo will be mugged in the shadows by Rove et al.
42 posted on 12/11/2003 11:28:57 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles
Then we broom Rove too:)
43 posted on 12/11/2003 11:44:07 AM PST by international american
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To: JCEccles
"In my opinion, any drive to repeal the legislation really needs President Bush's outspoken support."

I agree completely! I know Bush will have a bit 'splainin to do, so to speak, but yes, he needs to get behind this 100%.

I didn't know Karl Rove doesn't like Tom Tancredo--What about a co-sponsorship with a congressman Rove likes? Do you know of any favorites of Rove we can get in on this?
44 posted on 12/11/2003 11:44:36 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: international american
Thanks for your kind words!

I'm looking for a link to the KOA website to see if they have streaming audio--the last time I tried, Clear Channel had stopped streaming, but maybe it's back up again.

I'll post a link when I have it :)
45 posted on 12/11/2003 11:45:36 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: international american
Apparently one of KOA's biggest sponsor's has started up streaming audio again--good news! I don't know if you have to pay to become a member, but here's the link:

http://www.850koa.com/listen/

Mike Rosen is absolutely brilliant, by the way, and often hysterically funny. It's a great show. He discusses local and national politics. :)
46 posted on 12/11/2003 11:48:03 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: proud American in Canada
sponor's = sponsors. :)

I tried to catch it before it posted, to no avail...
47 posted on 12/11/2003 11:48:49 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Lazamataz
Your comment was in line with the Supreme Court, long ago when it still had its collective head screwed on straight. In Sweezy v. New Hampshire almot fifty years ago, it held that "freedom of speech is the most basic right, because all other rights depend on it."

Also, your earlier comment that we need to keep our message simple to avoid "information overload" is spot on.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "In Praise of Bigotry," discussion thread. (ChronWatch used a longer title than my original.)

48 posted on 12/11/2003 12:06:21 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: proud American in Canada
"Apparently one of KOA's biggest sponsor's has started up streaming audio again--good news! I don't know if you have to pay to become a member, but here's the link: "
Yes, a eyewear chain now sponsors the streaming. I signed up, no charge.

Thanks again, IA
49 posted on 12/11/2003 12:08:27 PM PST by international american
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To: Congressman Billybob
" "freedom of speech is the most basic right, because all other rights depend on it."

Bring back the good ol days, n'est pas?
You should have seen poor Laz trying to explain the above mentioned quote on another thread. Too many people just don't understand what is at stake here.
50 posted on 12/11/2003 12:12:28 PM PST by international american
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To: backhoe
Join us.
51 posted on 12/11/2003 12:13:41 PM PST by Lazamataz ("With an Iron Fist, We Will Lead Humanity to Happiness." - Translation of sign at Solovki Gulag)
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To: Lazamataz
Laz, I'm standing by.
52 posted on 12/11/2003 12:54:18 PM PST by backhoe (--30--)
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To: Valin
BUMP!

My senators are Levin and Stabenow - hardcore Fascists both. It is worse than useless to speak to them about infringements on liberty since the only liberty they value is their liberty to rule the rest of us.

My Congressional 'Representative' is Nick Smith, one of the RINOs that voted for this monstrosity. I have questioned him several times about his vote and he is unwavering in his support for Congressionally imposed limits on Free Speech. I have no hope he would vote to repeal this law.

However, I will be making it clear to him that I will publicly oppose his position in Congress and will actively work against his son's attempt to replace him in the next election - due primarily to his decision to impose an untouchable political aristocracy upon his constituents.
53 posted on 12/11/2003 1:06:32 PM PST by jimkress (America has become Soviet Union Lite)
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To: jimkress
"My senators are Levin and Stabenow "

I'll swap you Levin and Stabenow for Feinstein and Boxer...
plus another turncoat to be named later:)
54 posted on 12/11/2003 1:15:56 PM PST by international american
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CFR List
Articles relating to the Campaign Finance Reform. Shays-Mehan, McCain-Feingold, et al.
Last submitted by Grit on 2002-02-21 20:15:46

55 posted on 12/11/2003 1:27:27 PM PST by backhoe (--30--)
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To: backhoe
Thanks for the link
56 posted on 12/11/2003 1:30:31 PM PST by international american
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To: Valin
I called my congressman yesterday. At least he voted right. My two sinators are "Kerrying" worthless.

I'm on hold about to give the comment line some hell(politely) right now.

57 posted on 12/11/2003 1:49:11 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("if you wanna run cool, you got to run, on heavy heavy fuel" - Dire Straits)
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To: Dane
Are you glad that the Court upheld CFR?
58 posted on 12/11/2003 1:52:36 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Order your Hillary Testicular Lockbox from the EIB Network today.)
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To: jimkress
Schwarz would even be worse. Bisbee is a gun grabber so I automaticly don't trust him.

I don't know DeRossett, Walberg, or DeWeese's stance on this

59 posted on 12/11/2003 1:53:51 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("if you wanna run cool, you got to run, on heavy heavy fuel" - Dire Straits)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Here's the letter I faxed to Bush (and a similar one to Smith):

You have attained success in your attempt to restrict the ability of your constituents to comment upon or criticize your political behavior. The USSC upheld your traitorous, evil, affirmative signature on the CFR legislation.

As Scalia so eloquently stated:

"The first instinct of power is the retention of power, and, under a Constitution that requires periodic elections, that is best achieved by the suppression of election time speech. We have witnessed merely the second scene of Act I of what promises to be a lengthy tragedy. In scene 3 the Court, having abandoned most of the First Amendment weaponry that Buckley left intact, will be even less equipped to resist the incumbents' writing of the rules of political debate. The federal election campaign laws, which are already (as today's opinions show) so voluminous, so detailed, so complex, that no ordinary citizen dare run for office, or even contribute a significant sum, without hiring an expert advisor in the field, can be expected to grow more voluminous, more detailed, and more complex in the years to come — and always, always, with the objective of reducing the excessive amount of speech. "

The key point here is that you and the rest of the ruling political class have now legally constrained who can speak about you and when. The rest of the act is just fluff.

Repeat: We are now restricted, by law (by you), from speaking about political candidates prior to an election upon pain of imprisonment.

Some will argue that, oh it's only certain groups of people who cannot speak, but that is a red herring. Once the ability of the American people to manifest political speech has been limited, it is only a matter of time until that freedom to speak is reduced to complete uselessness. Indeed, ultimately we will be told we have the freedom of political speech but the only situation in which we will be able to exercise that 'freedom' will be when we are alone in the toilet.

You, the political class, have now made it clear you are separated from us common folk. You have established the precedent of yourselves as the new feudal aristocracy in America and objections from us common folk will not be tolerated upon penalty of imprisonment.

In 2000 I prayed for your victory. I voted for you. I rejoiced when you won.

You have betrayed that support.

From this point on I will publicly oppose your position as President. I will actively work against your re-election attempt - due primarily to your decision to impose an untouchable political aristocracy upon your constituents. I will do all in my power to assure that neither you nor your progeny will ever again subvert and corrupt the freedom given us by God and protected by the blood of our citizens.

You have earned the enmity of all who love liberty and resist tyranny. You have made it clear you represent the same evil that gave the world Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Hitler. You have subverted liberty. You have imposed tyranny upon your constituents.

May God have mercy on your soul.
60 posted on 12/11/2003 1:57:43 PM PST by jimkress (America has become Soviet Union Lite)
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