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To: HighWheeler
Kara forgot that at high Alpha, rudder will roll the Tomcat; combined with mil power on the starboard engine, she pushed the nose right at the water.
57 posted on 12/13/2003 1:13:14 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
It says she was at mil power? I thought she was still just accelling into mil. I also heard that her approach was waved off, and she tried to clear the deck. The plane took a hard roll and the GIB seemed to have had his hands on the ready for ejection, he left the plane quicker than anyone had expected while viewing the tape. In fact, the team even noted how fast the GIB ejected, and commented that he already had the idea she was substandard. Had he waited only a second longer, he would likely have been killed.

Does the report estimate the roll rate, the ejection delay times, and the angles of ejections?
62 posted on 12/13/2003 1:23:27 PM PST by HighWheeler
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To: Pukin Dog
I believe what happened with the Hultgreen mishap was that she reached a high alpha state where you get lateral control reversal. For those unfamiliar with the F-14, is does not have ailerons. lateral control is made with a combination of differential tail and spoilers. At high angles of attack lateral stick inputs will produce the opposite effect. What is that? 24 or 26 units AOA? She got the aircraft really slow and instead of putting in right rudder to counteract the left roll, she puts in a bunch of right stick. I'm fairly certain that if she had followed the single engine on takeoff procedures she would still be alive. Set 10 degrees nose up not to exceed 14 units AOA, rudder opposite roll/yaw supplemented by stick. The plane probably would have hit the water, but when the LSOs called for ejection and the RIO initiated ejection the aircraft would have been upright. I've had the unfortunate experience of flying away from the boat on one engine. You don't need to rush to put control inputs in as long as you keep the AOA under control the F-14 flies fine. It flies sideways, but it is still flying.

Here is my dump on Carey Denai. One thing that has not been brought up is how she ended up in Tomcats in the first place. Her training command A-4 skipper, "Sneakers" Nesby was bound and determined to send her to Tomcats. He personally took her out for her instrument check ride, one of the bigger hurdles in advanced training. While the student pilot is supposed to fly from the back seat under an instrument hood, Sneakers had her fly from the front seat. Do you think she passed? Of course she did. During the advanced training she was once selected as the student of the month. How could that be if she was such a bad pilot? Well, most of her flights that month were during a couple road trips she made with a marine corps instructor, Capt. Lorehnz. Boy, that name sounds familiar. Hey, that's the guy she married. Do you think that might have helped her grades out?

This whole episode was a black eye to Naval Aviation. You have one dead aviator with people releasing privileged information about her mishap. You have another that should have never made it through the FRS who has spent the last seven years in court. The sad thing is that the dead one is probably the better of the two.

75 posted on 12/13/2003 4:02:55 PM PST by USNBandit
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