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WHITE HOUSE VERIFIES IMMIGRATION REVIEW
The Liberty Committee ^ | 12/13/03 | Kent Snyder

Posted on 12/13/2003 5:24:56 AM PST by chicagolady

The White House yesterday said a new immigration review is under way that could lead to amnesty for millions of illegal aliens living and working in the United States. Confirmation of the review came during a White House briefing, just two days after Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge said during a town hall meeting in Miami that the government had to "afford some kind of legal status" to the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens in the country. "We've taken steps to improve border security — significant steps, I might add; have made great progress there. We've taken steps to improve the immigration infrastructure," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan. "Those are some foundations for moving forward on a more orderly, safe and humane migration policy. "And this is a matter that really is under review at this point. We continue to look at it," Mr. McClellan said. Mr. Ridge, during a question-and-answer period after his Miami speech, said he would not support granting citizenship to illegal aliens now in the country "because they violated the law to get here," but the government needed to "determine how you can legalize their presence" and then institute an immigration enforcement policy to prevent future illegal entries. His comments drew harsh criticism from some congressional sources and immigration opponents. Rep. Tom Tancredo, Colorado Republican and chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, said Mr. Ridge should resign if he is unable or unwilling to enforce existing immigration laws. He said the secretary's comments would "open a floodgate" of illegal aliens "trying to sneak into the United States in order to be first in line for amnesty." Dan Stein, executive director of the Federation of American Immigration Reform (FAIR), questioned what security interests of the United States were being served "by granting legal status to people whose identities cannot be confirmed and who already have shown an unwillingness to observe U.S. law? "The law has to be respected before you grandfather in the very people who disrespected it," he said. Various amnesty bills are pending in Congress, although none has been scheduled for debate or a vote. Congress approved an amnesty program in 1986, granting legal status to 2.7 million illegal aliens then in the country. The program contained increased enforcement and penalty policies aimed at ending illegal immigration, although the illegal alien population in the United States today is more than twice the total in 1986. Mr. McClellan said Mr. Bush "has always been a strong believer that America should be a welcoming society. We are, after all, a nation of immigrants, as he often points out." He said discussions with Mexico on a new amnesty proposal were ongoing prior to the September 11 attacks, but were halted. Mr. Bush and Mexican President Vicente Fox had agreed to consider granting permanent residency, or green cards, to as many as 3 million Mexicans living illegally in the United States. Mr. McClellan also said that although some people had interpreted Mr. Ridge's comments as "some broad amnesty discussion," it was not that at all. "He's very involved in, obviously, overseeing border security and immigration matters, now under the new Department of Homeland Security," he said. "And I think he's been looking at the issue of the large number of illegal immigrants we do have in the country and looking at those that could be threats and those that are here for other reasons. "And so, he's just talking about the realities that we are facing now," he said. Asa Hutchinson, Homeland Security's undersecretary for border and transportation security, also defended Mr. Ridge's comments, saying they simply reflected ongoing debate in Congress over the immigration issue. "Secretary Ridge addressed it very honestly yesterday, engaged in that debate, but clearly this administration has not taken a firm policy position on that and the debate continues," Mr. Hutchinson said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; bush43; immigration; immigrationstatus
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To: Princeliberty
Should be a George Bush giving his base the finger again alert.

Exactly. Conservatives no longer have a home, both politically and soon literally. Bush knows that as long as the threat of Hitlary is out there, and as long as the Libertine Party continues to scare the hell out of moral people by promising to decriminalize every form of vice, the lemmings previously referred to as "conservatives" will hold their nose and vote for Mexico's northern ambassador and representative (and part time supporter for making Islam the predominate religion in America) - George "FDR" Bush.

41 posted on 12/13/2003 8:06:07 AM PST by Dr Warmoose
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To: Henrietta
Exactly right. The difference between Dems and 'Pubs is....?

If you can't see a difference then you are beyond hope.

42 posted on 12/13/2003 9:07:55 AM PST by Tamzee (Pennsylvanians for Bush! Join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PA4BushCheney/)
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To: chicagolady
Good point about being active. I don't pretend to appreciate the dramatic posts on this thread raining poison down on Bush and the GOP, it's counterproductive and will do nothing to stop this if it is indeed being seriously considered.

If we don't like this potential policy decision we need to get more of the public on our side. We need to write letters to editors, too, not just call politicians and threaten to withhold our unreliable vote from GOP politicians. It would help to inform the public why amnesty is a danger for the country and this will multiply our voices insisting it not be done.

43 posted on 12/13/2003 9:11:07 AM PST by Tamzee (Pennsylvanians for Bush! Join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PA4BushCheney/)
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To: Tamsey
"If you can't see a difference then you are beyond hope."

Oh, really? Take off your blinders, and there may indeed be hope for you yet.

Or perhaps you'd like to explain for the benefit of those whom you call "hopeless" what the real difference between 'Pubs and Dims is? When our pres starts proposing amnesty for illegals, restricting free speech, and signing legislation permitting warrantless searches, he's sure looking like a Dim to me.
46 posted on 12/13/2003 10:29:01 AM PST by Henrietta
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To: Veracruz; chicagolady; FITZ; JustPiper; gubamyster
Was it just me? Did any of you know prior to the passage of the Medicare Bill that the $1 billion for illegals would be included?

To me, the $1 billlion for illegals should not have been included but a separate bill.

This was a total shocker for me. It was sneaky and underhanded. This told me more about Bush and the RINO republicans than anything else.

I will not vote for Bush again nor any Republican that voted for this. I do not at this time know who I will vote for but hopefullly, with the outcome of the next election, there will be gridlock.

47 posted on 12/13/2003 10:31:41 AM PST by texastoo (What a Continent!!! (sarcasm))
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To: texastoo; Pro-Bush; FairOpinion; B4Ranch
This was a total shocker for me. It was sneaky and underhanded. This told me more about Bush and the RINO republicans than anything else.

Same here Texas! I am hoping besides this a friend will post some very revealing info about our President that also stunned me.

48 posted on 12/13/2003 10:49:02 AM PST by JustPiper (Teach the Children to fight Liberalism ! They will be voting in 2008 !!!)
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To: Henrietta; Veracruz
Pretending there is no difference between Dems and the GOP is absurd.

It is possible to criticize policy we disagree with while retaining a little perspective. Failing to do so makes us sound as much rabid juveniles as the idiots on the far left.

49 posted on 12/13/2003 10:55:01 AM PST by Tamzee (Pennsylvanians for Bush! Join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PA4BushCheney/)
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To: Veracruz
Maybe you should sing Kumbaya too.

A childish insult. Perhaps your time would better serve your goals if you spent it writing letters to editors... it would also help to use FACTS rather than hysterics and poison when discussing this issue. Most politically ignorant Americans don't understand WHY amnesty is dangerous for the country. If we folks who do understand this prefer whining and screeching rather than educating others, we have nobody but ourselves to blame.

50 posted on 12/13/2003 11:02:24 AM PST by Tamzee (Pennsylvanians for Bush! Join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PA4BushCheney/)
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To: texastoo
To me, the $1 billlion for illegals should not have been included but a separate bill.

If I remember correctly, another $6.4 billion was also part of that bill to partially reimburse a few states for the costs of incarcerating illegal aliens.

I'll see if I can find a source for that.

51 posted on 12/13/2003 11:02:44 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: DumpsterDiver
I thought the $6.4 billion was a separate bill. I didn't know it was included in the Medicare bill.
52 posted on 12/13/2003 11:08:41 AM PST by texastoo (What a Continent!!! (sarcasm))
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To: Jeff Head
Excellent post bump. Only thing I would change is "we are in grave times where the very survival of our nation and way of life will stand[s] in the balance."
53 posted on 12/13/2003 11:11:51 AM PST by Klickitat
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To: Klickitat
Did you know prior to the passage of the Medicare Bill that $1 billion would be included for illegal aliens? Normally, FAIR and Numbers USA have articles about the bills in congress regarding illegal aliens. Did I just miss the articles?
54 posted on 12/13/2003 11:17:24 AM PST by texastoo (What a Continent!!! (sarcasm))
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To: texastoo
No I do not recall receiving any warning about that either. I'm on all the action lists for both groups too. I was gone for awhile, so it's possible I missed them in the hundreds of spam in my inbox when I got back.
55 posted on 12/13/2003 11:29:32 AM PST by Klickitat
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To: Dante3
If amnesty is given I have to vote for a third party candidate. Does anyone know if Lieberman or Nader oppose amnesty? IF Nader is an honest environmentalist, then it sure would make sense to oppose it for a number of reasons.

Yes, do go ahead and vote for Nader. Not only do the Greens support legalizing "undocumented workers", but Nader is Arab and likely to extend amnesty to the entire Middle East. And of course Lieberman as a Democrat will be naturally FAR more conservative than the GOP.

Brilliant.

56 posted on 12/13/2003 11:31:26 AM PST by Tamzee (Pennsylvanians for Bush! Join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PA4BushCheney/)
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To: Tamsey
"Pretending there is no difference between Dems and the GOP is absurd. "

Well, you know, Veracruz is right...the difference that I can articulate at this juncture is that the Dims opposed our involvement in Iraq, and the 'Pubs supported it. Am I missing anything?

The 'Pubs may *say* they stand for a different set of policies and values than the Dims, but I'm not seeing that played out in the resulting behavior. So I guess we can add that the 'Pubs *say* different stuff than the Dims. But I don't want different rhetoric, I want different behavior. That's my perspective, friend. Calling that "rabidly juvenile" only seems, well, rabidly juvenile.
57 posted on 12/13/2003 11:48:11 AM PST by Henrietta
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To: Tamsey
I didn't say I was going to vote for them. I just wondered about their stands. If Bush does pull this stunt, I will vote for third party.
58 posted on 12/13/2003 11:56:55 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Henrietta
the difference that I can articulate at this juncture is that the Dims opposed our involvement in Iraq, and the 'Pubs supported it. Am I missing anything?

Yes, dear.... quite a bit. New to politics, are you?

The 'Pubs may *say* they stand for a different set of policies and values than the Dims, but I'm not seeing that played out in the resulting behavior. So I guess we can add that the 'Pubs *say* different stuff than the Dims.

Pretending that the laws and policies coming from D.C. would be the same whether there is a Dem or Republican in the White House is idiotic. It is, however, rational to state that the GOP isn't as conservative as we would prefer... either is the American public. We change that through educating them, not spouting off moronic and false generalities.

59 posted on 12/13/2003 12:07:33 PM PST by Tamzee (Pennsylvanians for Bush! Join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PA4BushCheney/)
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To: Dante3
I just wondered about their stands. If Bush does pull this stunt, I will vote for third party.

A Freeper since 1999 who doesn't know Nader's stands and would consider voting for either him or Lieberman since Bush isn't "conservative" enough for you? Interesting...

60 posted on 12/13/2003 12:12:53 PM PST by Tamzee (Pennsylvanians for Bush! Join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PA4BushCheney/)
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