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Saddam could be offered deal
Ha'aretz ^ | 12/14/03

Posted on 12/14/2003 7:34:36 PM PST by knak

ATHENS - Deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein could be offered a deal in which he would give his captors information on if and how he hid weapons of mass destruction and if he smuggled some of them into Syria. In exchange, he would face life imprisonment and not be executed for war crimes, senior Iraqis attending a conference here on the future of the region have hinted.

Saddam was captured, alive and well, on Saturday near his hometown of Tikrit. U.S. troops found him hiding in a subterranean hole. He did not resist.

The Iraqi figures also said that, even if the number of concealed weapons of mass destruction is not large, Saddam will certainly know who he appointed to take charge of the operation and in what area the weapons are being stored.

The possibility that Saddam transferred some of the weapons to Syria was raised on the eve of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, when satellite pictures showed convoys moving from Iraq to Syria. It is still unknown precisely what was transported in these convoys, but it is clear that this was a secret operation between Iraq and Syria.

It was a unique experience to hear the news of Saddam's capture while in the company of Iraqis, Kurds, Iranians and other Arabs. One of the Kurdish representatives burst into the conference room in tears and demanded an immediate halt to the discussions.

"Saddam Hussein has been captured," he said, adding they had received word from Kurdistan, before the television reports. The delegate also claimed that most of the information leading to the deposed dictator's arrest had come from the Kurds, who had organized their own intelligence network and for months had been trying to uncover Saddam's tracks.

He further claimed that some six months ago, the Kurds had discovered that Saddam's wife was in the Tikrit area. This intelligence was transferred to the Americans, but the Kurds never received any news on what the coalition forces did with the information and were angered by this.

If it does emerge that most of the information that led to Saddam's arrest did indeed come from Kurdish sources, this will probably boost their status with Washington.

The capture of Saddam Hussein is the greatest success for the Americans since taking over Iraq. It does not, however, let the Americans off the hook on the question of how long their rule of occupation will remain in Iraq and how power will be transferred to the new Iraqi leaders without shocking the system. Will they wait until a new constitution is drawn up for Iraq and elections are held?

Iraqi delegates say the capture of Saddam will not mean an automatic, immediate end to guerrilla warfare and terror attacks against the coalition forces. The forces opposed to the Americans are mostly made up of former members of the Ba'ath movement, of Saddam's security and intelligence forces and volunteers from Arab states and have merely lost their "symbol" with Saddam's capture. In fact, these elements have been released from the heavy burden of a man identified with bloodshed and mass murder.

Saddam's capture enables the Americans to now define in a more coherent manner what their strategic goals are in Iraq, thus reducing their time there.

Iraqi representatives are divided over Saddam's expected trial. Some claim that since most of his crimes, including the use of chemical weapons on the Iraqi Kurdish population, were commited on Iraqi soil, he should be tried in Iraq. Others claim this is not desirable and there should be an international aspect to his trial. An Iraqi trial would make the internal reconciliation more difficult and could be seen as an American Iraqi-purifying trial. A special international war crimes trial, however, would have greater global resonance and would act as a deterrent against commiting war crimes in the future.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: censureandmoveon; decapitation; husseincapture; iraq; mrshussein; prisonersaddam; regimechange; saddam; saddamcaptured; saddamhussein; saddamontrial; saddamtrial; topplesaddam; viceisclosed; waronterror; wmd; wot
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1 posted on 12/14/2003 7:34:37 PM PST by knak
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To: knak
I'm just waiting for him to hire Mark Geragos as his attorney.
2 posted on 12/14/2003 7:36:52 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo
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To: nuconvert
ping
3 posted on 12/14/2003 7:36:54 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Your joy is your sorrow unmasked." --- GIBRAN)
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To: knak
Now really though. Don't the Turks feel kinda stoopid? They dragged their feet during the war, and now, oh horrors, Hussein may have been captured due to the intelligence of the Kurds! How embarrassing!
4 posted on 12/14/2003 7:40:29 PM PST by Enterprise
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
Possible deals: "regular vs. extra-cripsy" "feet first vs. head first"
5 posted on 12/14/2003 7:42:50 PM PST by Dilbert56
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To: knak
Betcha we could find a room for him it the nice scenic town of Florence Colorado.
Would be ironic if he ended up in the same cell Timothy McVeigh used to occupy.
6 posted on 12/14/2003 7:44:03 PM PST by 76834
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To: knak
Sure, I think we can offer him a deal. As long as he keeps talking and giving us useful information, we can postpone his trial and execution.
7 posted on 12/14/2003 7:44:49 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: knak
The toothless World Court in The Hague, which is the spawn of the toothless United Nations, does not have a death penalty. The Iraqi Ruling Council outlawed the death penalty as one of their first acts because they wanted to prevent another leader like Saddam Hussein from arising and executing 100s of thousands of people. (Those toothless wonders apparently belief someone like Saddam Hussein would follow the law!) So the first beneficiary of the law to proscribe Saddam Hussein II is -- a blare of trumpets please -- Brappp!! -- Saddam Hussein I.
8 posted on 12/14/2003 7:45:03 PM PST by Thor_Hammar
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To: knak
"If it does emerge that most of the information that led to Saddam's arrest did indeed come from Kurdish sources, this will probably boost their status with Washington."

This fool still thinks with a tribal mentality - You don't "boost your status" in this country by finally getting around to doing something that helps yourself out.
9 posted on 12/14/2003 7:45:27 PM PST by RS (nc)
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To: knak
Sure make a deal with him... and keep it as honestly as he kept his, after we know all we need to know.
10 posted on 12/14/2003 7:48:26 PM PST by thoughtomator (The U.N. is a terrorist organization)
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To: RckyRaCoCo
Ack! Don't give him any ideas.

Actually, I think he'd go with the weasel supreme Geoffrey Feiger.

(* Apologies to actual weasels)

11 posted on 12/14/2003 7:48:45 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: Thor_Hammar
We (the U.S.) banned the death penalty. Actually make sense if you think about it.
12 posted on 12/14/2003 7:48:55 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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To: knak
Hah.....the aftershave isn't even dry on Saddam's chin yet, and already the creative media has President Bush thinking of playing "Let's Make a Deal".

This ain't gonna happen....we'll find the WMD's anyhow.....and Saddie's next and only deal will be with the Devil.

Leni

13 posted on 12/14/2003 7:50:01 PM PST by MinuteGal (Florida Freepers! Go to Fla. chapter forum for important announcements on chapter re-organization!)
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To: Thor_Hammar
The death penality is not really appropriate here, would be too quick.
Would be far better to lock him in an iron box.
Put on a audio tape of a baby crying and loop it forever.
Only feed him pork and beans, breakfast, dinner and supper. Also forever...
14 posted on 12/14/2003 7:50:18 PM PST by 76834
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To: knak
Speaking of incarcerated despots, whatever happened to Manuel Noriega? Last time I checked, he was in the Federal slam someplace. He still there? What's his disposition?
15 posted on 12/14/2003 7:50:36 PM PST by Riley
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To: knak
If it takes a deal to get Saddam to sing about both the whereabouts of his WMD and his ties to Al Qaeda (and 9/11), then I say cut the deal. Getting that info is infinitely more important than seeing Saddam hang.
16 posted on 12/14/2003 7:55:07 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Geoffrey Feiger.

One of the most miserable humans I've ever seen.

17 posted on 12/14/2003 7:55:29 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
If it takes a deal to get Saddam to sing about both the whereabouts of his WMD and his ties to Al Qaeda (and 9/11), then I say cut the deal. Getting that info is infinitely more important than seeing Saddam hang.

Exactly so.

18 posted on 12/14/2003 7:56:46 PM PST by Riley
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To: Mr. Mojo
Death to the old bastard is my first reaction. However, he has information that could keep a lot more Americans from being killed.
19 posted on 12/14/2003 7:57:56 PM PST by Enterprise
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To: knak
I heard he will give information if they name a city in his honor: Kahrbahm.
20 posted on 12/14/2003 8:00:41 PM PST by arasina (What will YOU do when Howard Dean or Hillary Clinton is president?)
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To: knak
I wonder if we will be able to bluff the Syrians into believing that Saddam spilled the beans on some WMDs going across the border. If we start massing troops in western Iraq, maybe Bashar Assad will get the message and come clean.
21 posted on 12/14/2003 8:01:26 PM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: Riley
Speaking of incarcerated despots, whatever happened to Manuel Noriega?

I think Steinbrenner wants to sign him to play second base.

22 posted on 12/14/2003 8:02:22 PM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: knak
Dean will offer him the Veep spot.
23 posted on 12/14/2003 8:03:31 PM PST by Ron in Acreage
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To: Thor_Hammar
The Iraqi Ruling Council outlawed the death penalty as one of their first acts because they wanted to prevent another leader like Saddam Hussein from arising and executing 100s of thousands of people.

The Israelis did something similar with respect to the death penalty, but they made an exception for Adolf Eichmann. The Iraqis should do the same. Haul him off to Firdos Square and hoist him back up on his pedastal by the neck with a construction crane!

24 posted on 12/14/2003 8:04:05 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: knak
The death penalty is not optional here. Try him and hang him
His capture could not have happened in a way that would be much more demoralizing and humiliating to the jihadi crowd.
25 posted on 12/14/2003 8:04:39 PM PST by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Israel!)
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To: knak
I would have to assume Sadam will be given truth serum and induced to talk without a deal.
26 posted on 12/14/2003 8:04:41 PM PST by nvcdl
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To: Enterprise; a_Turk
"Now really though. Don't the Turks feel kinda stoopid? They dragged their feet during the war, and now, oh horrors, Hussein may have been captured due to the intelligence of the Kurds! How embarrassing!"
28 posted on 12/14/2003 8:05:29 PM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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To: knak
He should tell where the WMD are for sure, but no deals! Did he offer deals to the millions of his people and ours he murdered in cold blood?
29 posted on 12/14/2003 8:05:34 PM PST by ladyinred (If all the world's a stage, I want to operate the trap door!)
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To: knak
I think it would be a mistake to make a deal. We'd never get the full story. Instead, wait a few months and let it be known that he is going to talk for a deal. That will allow those down the chain of command to come forward on a plea. They would no doubt be more thorough and detailed and would be more willing to spill their guts, thinking that Saddam is going to tell all anyway, including naming those involved in the storage, development, location, movement and plans for the use of WMD.
30 posted on 12/14/2003 8:07:09 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
That is the advantage of having him in custody. The other side can't know for sure what he is, or is not, telling us. The other side has to judge for themselves whether or not we are bluffing. This is one powerful game of Texas Hold 'Em being played out. And right now, it's President Bush's turn to make the bet.
31 posted on 12/14/2003 8:08:52 PM PST by Enterprise
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To: claudiustg
"The death penalty is not optional here."

I totally...TOTALLY agree with you. A man like this must not be allowed to escape the ultimate penalty. If we can't put him to death, who CAN we?
32 posted on 12/14/2003 8:12:36 PM PST by avenir ("That really was...a Hattori Hanzo...katana.")
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To: knak
Saddam can now be used to sweat out any conspirators. The Syrians could be getting very nervous if they have the missing WMDs.
33 posted on 12/14/2003 8:15:28 PM PST by reed_inthe_wind
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To: Mr. Mojo
"If it takes a deal to get Saddam to sing about both the whereabouts of his WMD and his ties to Al Qaeda (and 9/11), then I say cut the deal. Getting that info is infinitely more important than seeing Saddam hang."

That may work for the US, but what about the people of Iraq? The nightmares for them may not end until Saddam is dead.

34 posted on 12/14/2003 8:20:13 PM PST by CatOwner
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To: Enterprise
That is the advantage of having him in custody. The other side can't know for sure what he is, or is not, telling us.

The best bit of news on this capture has been the little told story of the "memo" from an insurgents meeting they found in his briefcase. Supposedly, it names all the major players still funding and participating in the insurgency. My guess is the rats (the Iraqi ones, not the Democrats) are scattering furiously trying to leave the country after they heard this bit of info. My guess is the insurgency becomes largely null and void after this capture.

35 posted on 12/14/2003 8:21:46 PM PST by Azzurri
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To: reed_inthe_wind
The Syrians could be getting very nervous...

Which was, of course, the intention behind the announcement. The shredders are running red-hot in Damascus tonight.

36 posted on 12/14/2003 8:26:22 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: knak
Saddam will die. I guarantee it.
37 posted on 12/14/2003 8:27:36 PM PST by mrobison (We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams.)
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To: mrobison
The WMDs don't matter anymore.
38 posted on 12/14/2003 8:28:12 PM PST by mrobison (We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams.)
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To: Dilbert56
Possible deals: "regular vs. extra-cripsy" "feet first vs. head first"

I want the combo deal with a free side of Osama and a nuke.

39 posted on 12/14/2003 8:29:52 PM PST by Tall_Texan ("Is Rush a Hypocrite?" http://righteverytime2.blogspot.com)
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To: Azzurri
I'm betting that the Saddamites already in custody are the ones who will be cutting the deals. With Saddam on custody, the intel faucet will be turned wide open.
40 posted on 12/14/2003 8:31:12 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: CatOwner
and dragged through the streets so they can beat him with their shoes!!
41 posted on 12/14/2003 8:31:45 PM PST by cajun-jack
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To: mrobison
Saddam will die. I guarantee it.

agreed

did ANYONE! think that china could have made a move last night while we were getting sodomy boy

42 posted on 12/14/2003 8:31:59 PM PST by MetalHeadConservative35 (Do Democrats Cause Cancer? Log Onto Foxnews.com to find out!!!!)
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To: knak
Here is the deal.....

Spill your guts about everything or we'll drop you and a crate of short ice picks off at one of the Kurdish villages you gassed.

43 posted on 12/14/2003 8:32:46 PM PST by HP8753 (My cat hates static electricity....)
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To: 76834
Put on a audio tape of a baby crying and loop it forever.

Man, you are a sadist.

I want to hang myself after five minutes of listening to that in the grocery store checkout line.

44 posted on 12/14/2003 8:35:16 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: knak
No Deal send the specialist from Mossad....we'll find out the name and address of any WMD. Plus they will get to have a bit of fun with this murderer.
45 posted on 12/14/2003 8:38:02 PM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: 76834
The death penality is not really appropriate here, would be too quick.

You're right ... make him a 7-11 clerk in Harlem.

46 posted on 12/14/2003 8:41:31 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you ought, perform without fail what you resolve.)
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
Yep. Here's the deal: "Eat sh*t and die."

Just damn.

If you want on the new list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

47 posted on 12/14/2003 8:42:56 PM PST by mhking
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To: MetalHeadConservative35
China could have tried. They would have faced the most morale-filled army in the history of the world, though. With measured words and full knowledge of what this means, I say that our military is the most powerful ever. Any nation who would confront us now would be destroyed.
48 posted on 12/14/2003 8:45:10 PM PST by mrobison (We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams.)
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To: knak
I don't see how he can make a deal. The people of Iraq will want to hang him!
49 posted on 12/14/2003 8:46:16 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: knak
He should be prosecuted in a way that makes much of Iraq's debt his debt.
50 posted on 12/14/2003 8:47:10 PM PST by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, and Justice..)
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