[tbird5]

If gays and women want to fight, let them.

[11th Earl of Mar]

Rear Adm. Alan M. Steinman

A REAR Admiral is gay? I wonder how he earned that title.

And "Gays in the military are torpedoed"

So many jokes. So little time.

[little jeremiah]

Pinging the list. It's getting hotter. I am sick of the media being enablers and promoters of the homosexual agenda. I don't like the slant of this article. I want to hear what experienced military people say about homosexuals in the military. Meaning military people who are not homosexuals themselves or Clintoon appointees.

[antiRepublicrat]

I knew many gays and lesbians in my units during my time in the Army, both before and after this stupid policy. At no time did their personal sexual preferences in any way interfere with good order and discipline, nor did they hinder us in wartime. In the standard range of people in the Army from "shouldn't be in the Army" to "super soldier" I never met any who were in the lowest class.

[John O]

Said Admiral Steinman: "I was denied the opportunity to share my life with a loved one, to have a family, to do all the things that heterosexual Americans take for granted. That's the sacrifice I made to serve my country.

Absolute horse hockey! He could have shared his life with any woman that would have had him. There is no right to perversion in this country, nor should there ever be.

[arthurus]

A homosexual soldier who stays in the closet for his whole career is not a problem to the military. He has no effect on morale. So soon as he is known that all changes.A homosexual can be a good soldier so long as he is the only one who knows.

[SJSAMPLE]

Imagine that.
These officers reached higher ranks, while nobody knew that they were gay. Sounds like nobody asked and they didn't tell. And this is supposed to be a condemnation of that policy? Sounds like the policy worked.

Now, contrast it with the Colonel who was dismissed eight days before retirement, with no benefits, because he was corn-holeing a subordinate "soldier" under his command and was taking pictures of the whole, sordid deal.

[narby]

I think that women as well as gays should not be in units that will be anywhere near combat, or on close deployment situations like ships and submarines. Even driving trucks in Iraq, as whats-her-name was.

It's nothing discrimanatory, it's just that around such situations, sex just gets in the way. Doesn't matter with who, or what. Sex with unit members is just too much distraction, and costs too much in unit cohesion, to be tolerated.

[Thud]

In my legal opinion, the Supreme Court's recent ruling in "Lawrence v. Texas" means the end of official military discrimination against homosexuals.

[SirAllen]

Knowingly letting homosexuals stay in the military is akin to letting men and women share the same showers and sleeping quarters.

As soon as it's known that a homosexual is among men, their moral will go way down. They don't want to worry about a man they share close space with looking at them sexually. It's like letting a pedophile teach children. Sure, they could make good teachers but as soon as they act on their "feelings" bad things happen.

[xzins]

There are a variety of reasons for not permitting gays in the military.

1. Good order and discipline. Sexual relationships among troops cause unforeseen deviations from normal patterns of unit support and cohesions. We don't want our fighting men and supporting women housed with those who sexually desire them.

2. The medical consequences of homosexual behavior. Homosexuals are extremely highly more likely to suffer deleterious medical problems. They also pass these along to others.

3. The walking blood supply is contaminated by blood borne pathogens which appear at a much higher frequency among active homosexuals.

[FormerLib]

Of course, these men served in a military where homosexuals were forbidden to serve so they would been even more restrained in their behavior than is currently required.

Considering the millions of men that have served in the US military, the fact that they are only able to find a few such examples of homosexuals being able to serve honorably speaks loudly against allowing proclaimed sexual deviants in the military.

[69ConvertibleFirebird]

Said Admiral Steinman: "I was denied the opportunity to share my life with a loved one, to have a family...

They don't teach men and women in the Navy that males can't get males pregnant and have babies (families) with them?!? Some REALLY ignorant people in the Navy. Admiral Steinman is proof.

[searchandrecovery]

I think male homo's should be allowed to serve in the military, but only if they wear dresses and high heels (kinda like Klinger). Let those bad mofo's serve in the typing pool (ooooooh, cat fight).

[sonofatpatcher2]

Re: Brig. Gen. Keith H. Kerr and Brig. Gen. Virgil A. Richard, both of the Army, and Rear Adm. Alan M. Steinman of the Coast Guard may be the highest-ranking service members to acknowledge being gay.

As an Old Corps Jarhead, I will keep my thoughts private about those two doggies and a squid...

[Viking2002]

Funny that they use the term 'torpedo'. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Aquinasfan]

A friend who served in the Navy told me about a guy on his ship who used to jump into other mens' beds at night and get grabby. Who the hell needs that? How does that help morale?

[quadrant]

Dear Sir:

To a former enlisted man, and E-4, the opinions of a three retired generals and admirals means nothing.
They did not live in barracks, a place where there is no privacy.
They did have to deal with questions of small unit integrity and cohesion where any suspicion of favortism is a serious problem.
And they did not have any idea of the pressures facing junior enlisted personnel, many of whom suffer from loneliness and disorientation on a daily basis.
I do not doubt that many gays wish to serve in the Armed Forces, but the United States government is under no obli-gation - moral, legal, or ethical - to accede to their wishes. No gay individual enlists or joins the Armed Forces without knowing that for the term of their enlistment, their sexual orientation must remain private. If any gay person cannot do that, then he or she should refrain from joining the Armed Forces. To join without that conviction is to make a lie of his or her enlistment oath. Before enlisting a gay person must ask him or herself, "Is my sexuality more important that my oath?" They must understand that the answer to that question will be a measure and a test of character. What gives the views of these three officers special credence? Were any of them mustangs with a unique understanding of the morale of the troops? Were any of them combat commanders of great skill? Were any of them great strategists or tacticians? Were any of them distinguished by their knowledge of military history, policy, and law? In fact, the opinions of the flag officers mentioned in the article cannot in any way stand against the opinions of dozens, nay hundreds and perhaps thousands, of retired flag officers who oppose allowing gays to serve in the military. To those who say that the US is depriving itself of the services of talented individuals, I reply: We will survive. The United States Armed Forces have endured Civil War, two World Wars, an inconclusive war in Korea, and a political defeat in Vietnam. It can survive and prosper without the services of those who cannot abide its regulations and policies. WATCHMAN

[CWOJackson]

I note the courage of these flag officers...in coming out of the closet once their retirement was secure.

[richtig_faust]

I hear John Wayne Gacy is speaking out at the small businessman's club meeting this weekend......


Just cause they're retired military brass that liked to take it up the chucker don't make them right.