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[ Which states' rights were being trampled on in late 1860/early 1861 when the majority of southern states seceded,well before Lincoln was inaugurated? If you are going to make such statements, you should be able to back them up with facts, rather than hyperbole. ]

When the federal gov't attacks(civil war) some of the states. State rights are suspended "de facto"... The federal gov't before the civil war was a vassal of the states, after the civil war the states became a vassal of the federal gov't. To this day... What happened to the republic ?... We lost it.. and the acendancy of "democrats" was assured... us being a democracy and no longer a republic..

America has become a democracy thats why mobs rule in Washington D.C. and some think that is a good thing. Democrats know that and work for this democracy, most republicans still think america is a still a republic and mentally masterbate that lie. If republicans ever realize the truth the march to socialism will stop.

** Democracy is the road to socialism. Karl Marx
** Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism. V.I. Lenin

Please read what I actually asked. Other posters have claimed that the South was justified in seceding because of egregious violations of their rights by Lincoln. For this to justify secession, obviously the violation would have had to precede the secession. However, the Deep South states seceded in late 1860, early 1861. Long before Lincoln was even inaugurated and had a chance to do any rights violating.

When the federal gov't attacks(civil war) some of the states. State rights are suspended "de facto"...

A rational person would conclude by the evidence that some of the states attacked the federal government, not the other way around. You may believe that SC was justified in firing on Sumter, but they did shoot first.

BTW, the Union Army did not invade VA till May 27, long after VA had initiated hostile action against the Union, including attacks on Hampton Roads and Harper's Ferry begun (traitorously by strict constitutional definition) prior to secession.

You are correct, however, that civil war brings an end to civil and state's rights. That is even recognized in the Constitution, "Clause 2: The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it." Which it did in 1861.

The South rebelled. They lost. Get over it.