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States should oppose seatbelt mandate: Congress acting outside its scope, authority
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, December 19, 2003 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 12/18/2003 11:10:42 PM PST by JohnHuang2

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To: billbears
"Seat belt laws are nothing more than coffer filling taxes. Thanks Mrs. Dole. Yet one more 'legacy' from the 'conservative' Senator"

and for insurance cos who can jack your rates when you get ticketed. billbears, without looking anything up, could you give me a general idea about what to look about Mrs. Dole getting these mandatory seat-belt laws in states. Thanx

21 posted on 12/19/2003 5:30:08 AM PST by Ff--150 (But my God shall supply all your need)
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To: JohnHuang2
If you want to get around this law my advice would be to get the largest SUV you can find, preferrably a Hummer if you can afford one. Then tint the windows up to the legal maximum for your state. It would be darn near impossible for anybody to tell if you were wearing a seatbelt or not unless they were standing still and looking right in the window. Oh by the way if you do get pulled over for speeding, click on your seatbelt before the officer gets to your window and remove it as soon you get back on the road.
22 posted on 12/19/2003 5:32:54 AM PST by apillar
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To: JohnHuang2; Constitution Day; Oorang; okchemyst; Texas Federalist; jmc813; Henrietta; ellery; ...
Do we even have a constitution anymore? I mean, other than the senate and house rules.

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23 posted on 12/19/2003 5:35:46 AM PST by BSunday (Jesus is the reason for ALL seasons)
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To: billbears
"Revenue enhancement" BUMP...

(She once greeted employees in the parking lot with a stop sign so that she could check if they were wearing their seat belts.)

24 posted on 12/19/2003 5:37:06 AM PST by Constitution Day (Iraqi blogger to President Bush: "The bones in the mass graves salute you, Avenger of the Bones.")
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To: Bobby Chang
John Edwards would be the most likely to oppose such a bill because it helps him collect damages in trial courts.

I would hope every conservative on the hill would join him and oppose it. That is unless you can find in the Constitution where it states the national government has the right to pass seat belt laws and other worthless legislation

25 posted on 12/19/2003 5:43:33 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Ff--150
From the link Constitution Day provided

Dole made an artful compromise: she issued a new plan stipulating that unless states with two-thirds of the nation's population passed seat-belt laws by 1986, manufacturers would have to begin installing passenger restraints in 1987-model cars. With the zeal of the newly converted, automakers undertook an expensive campaign to get seat-belt laws passed across the nation. Some consumer advocates saw Dole's solution as a devil's bargain. "She did not do the strong thing," says Benjamin Kelley, who was then senior vice president of the Insurance Institute. "She did the politically astute thing." In the end, the air-bag rule survived and more states passed seat-belt laws. "Exactly what we wanted," Dole says proudly. Whether the happy result arose from expedience, foresight or providence--or some combination of all three--no one can say.

This was no 'compromise'. This was Elizabeth Dole enforcing what she 'thought' would be good for us. This is also the woman that bucked the Reagan administration and the 55 mph federally mandated speed limit stayed in place. You can also thank Mrs. Dole for the raise in the drinking limit and those annoying third brake lights

26 posted on 12/19/2003 5:48:59 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
Thanx for going to the trouble. I vaguely recall keeping the speed limit down, but was unaware of the drinking age and the third taillight.

Really interested in who Mrs. Dole actually works for, who her boss or bosses is/are. She has a lot of blood on her hands from those airbags.

27 posted on 12/19/2003 6:00:51 AM PST by Ff--150 (But my God shall supply all your need)
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To: billbears
"You can also thank Mrs. Dole for the raise in the drinking limit and those annoying third brake lights"

Although I seldom drink alcohol, I recall the debate over 18 yr olds not abled to purchase A.B.'s but were being drafted into armed services. Legitimate reasoning - even for today's young ones, but folk like Dole only see the first digit of age and broadly associate that with competency.

I detest those darned blinking Dolamps.

28 posted on 12/19/2003 6:41:39 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Peace will be here soon
No they are just "States'" issues not Federal.
29 posted on 12/19/2003 7:09:13 AM PST by TheFrog
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To: JohnHuang2
I am not opposed to wearing my seatbelt, but what I do HATE is some nanny-state telling me to. The only reason they enacted these laws, is the insurance companines wanted it! It is the law of who has the most money, makes the laws!
Our founding fathers are spinning in their graves over what we are allowing to be done to our beloved country!
30 posted on 12/19/2003 7:18:25 AM PST by Knightsofswing (sic semper tranyis [death to tryants!!] & also improvise, adapt,&overcome& you can't fix stupid!)
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31 posted on 12/19/2003 7:55:06 AM PST by jmc813 (Help save a life - www.marrow.org)
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To: CWOJackson; Dane
Don't look now, but Congress is preparing more legislation aimed at blackmailing states into going along with another unfunded, unconstitutional mandate Washington has no original authority to issue.

Is WorldNetDaily another leftie publication along with National Review?

32 posted on 12/19/2003 7:55:49 AM PST by jmc813 (Help save a life - www.marrow.org)
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To: Richard-SIA
I wonder if this post will get the same hostile reception mine did when I announced my intent to fight my seatbelt ticket?

Would you happen to have a link to that thread?

33 posted on 12/19/2003 7:56:37 AM PST by jmc813 (Help save a life - www.marrow.org)
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To: jmc813
They have their good days and they have their bad. Kind of like the CATO institute.
34 posted on 12/19/2003 7:56:50 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Peace will be here soon
Should it be mandated by the federal government ? I don`t know. I buckle up now so it is not much of an issue with me.

Does the Federal government have the power to require everybody to think and act sensibly?

("I stopped running with scissors so it is not much of an issue with me.")

35 posted on 12/19/2003 9:15:18 AM PST by dread78645 (Sorry, Mr. Franklin. We couldn't keep it.)
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To: CWOJackson
Your slip is showing, again.
36 posted on 12/19/2003 9:27:10 AM PST by Protagoras (Hating Democrats doesn't make you a conservative.)
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To: Protagoras
Sure thing there sparky.
37 posted on 12/19/2003 9:30:59 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: dread78645
"I stopped putting the cleaner 'The Works' in my soda pop, so it is not much an issue with me"
38 posted on 12/19/2003 9:34:37 AM PST by smith288 ("We're going to have the happiest Christmas since Bing Crosby tap danced with Danny F'n Kay")
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To: CWOJackson
Quiz;

Can you think of any issue whatsoever that you couldn't turn into a anti freedom screed in 20 words or less?

39 posted on 12/19/2003 9:35:18 AM PST by Protagoras (Hating Democrats doesn't make you a conservative.)
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To: Richard-SIA
Seatbelt laws, national speed limits, drinking age, DUI thresholds, age of consent..... All of these are being determined by federal blackmail!

And they haven't even scratched the surface yet !! Just wait till we have...

FEDERAL smoking laws
FEDERAL drinking laws
FEDERAL child care laws
FEDERAL hunting and fishing laws
FEDERAL gaming laws
etc, etc, etc, etc ,etc, etc...

The camel has his nose under the tent and the tent is stinking to high heaven.


40 posted on 12/19/2003 9:35:22 AM PST by unixfox (Close the borders, problems solved!)
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