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Federal system unfair to diverse California schools, study says
Sac Bee ^ | 12/23/03 | Jennifer Coleman - AP

Posted on 12/23/2003 2:33:49 PM PST by NormsRevenge

Edited on 04/12/2004 6:02:14 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

SACRAMENTO (AP) - Many California schools that are successful by state standards have been marked as failing under federal rules because subgroups of students - such as minorities or learning disabled - didn't meet federal academic goals, according to a study released Tuesday.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: calgov2002; californiaschools; diverse; education; federalsystem; nclb; study; unfair

1 posted on 12/23/2003 2:33:50 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: *calgov2002
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2 posted on 12/23/2003 2:34:12 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ........ Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays ........)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Hundreds of thousands of parents around the state are hearing that their children are in robust schools that are making gains, and then a couple months later, they're hearing from federal officials that the same school is a failing institution," said Bruce Fuller, a professor of education and policy at UC Berkeley and one of the study's authors.

Maybe someone is lying to them. My guess would be it's the people telling them that their schools are "robust."

3 posted on 12/23/2003 2:37:40 PM PST by Orangedog (Remain calm...all is well! [/sarcasm])
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To: Orangedog
Under federal rules, schools had to test at least 95 percent of their students and have 13.6 percent of elementary school students and 11.6 percent of high school students be proficient in English and language arts. About 10 percent of high school students and 16 percent of elementary students must be proficient at math

13.6%
11.6%
10%
16%

And even though they don't meet these bottom percentages the Califonia Union establishement is basically saying it's unfair and that they are doing a good job!
4 posted on 12/23/2003 2:41:50 PM PST by Wooly
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To: Wooly
Under federal rules, schools had to test at least 95% of their students and allow 86.4 percent of elementary school students and 88.4 percent of highschool students to be unproficient in english and language arts..............

Sure don't seem fair, does it?

5 posted on 12/23/2003 3:01:41 PM PST by umgud (gov't has more money than it needs, but never as much as it wants)
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To: NormsRevenge
UC Berkeley researchers said this puts additional hurdles in front of schools with more minorities, English language learners or learning disabled students, before they can make that goal.

This is very interesting, because essentially it is a form of federally-enforced affirmative action. It's not good enough for a school's average student to be proficient at such-and-such level; the school must measure subgroups, including racial subgroups and the average student from those subgroups must *also* attain a certain level. If not, the school is sanctioned.

Question: isn't this what lefties are supposed to want? What's their complaint, exactly?

"When you pair up schools with equal achievement overall, the one that is serving more diverse students is more likely to be sanctioned by Washington," Fuller said.

Only if the school serving more diverse students does a poor job educating those students.

Again, what's the complaint?

"Both systems are valid, but there's a sense here in California that the API system is fairer given the diversity here," Padia said.

It's "fairer" to look only at the average student and not take into account racial subgroups, or try to force schools to increase the scores of racial subgroups as well? Ok, I guess, but that's awfully strange seeing as how *usually* lefties call this color-blind approach unfair (when they are defending affirmative action).

It's difficult not to conclude that lefties' support of affirmative action is a bit soft: they like affirmative action as long as no actual responsibility goes along with it. Giving less-qualified applicants a college spot for no reason other than their skin color, in the name of "affirmative action" is good; but sanctioning a school which educates its black students to a lower level than it educates its non-black students is bad. (Because it holds teachers responsible for holding up their end of the affirmative-action bargain, by actually doing some fruitful work, instead of just promotin' kids & giving them undeserved slots...)

Fuller's study recommends that education officials shift focus from punishing schools that don't make the benchmarks to a plan that rewards schools that are doing well.

This is absolutely equivalent to saying "increase the funding for all schools". Yawn. Even if this were done, then the schools which don't make the benchmarks would consider themselves "punished", and complain about it, because they don't get the "rewards" that the good schools do. In other words, nothing would change, other than a larger all around education budget.

6 posted on 12/23/2003 3:04:21 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank
Maybe I'm wrong but did this article imply that being a minority is akin to a learning disability and due to diversity being a goal, its only natural that the school will perform more poorly?
7 posted on 12/23/2003 3:10:38 PM PST by Sonny M (oderintdum" metuant")
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To: Dr. Frank
Question: isn't this what lefties are supposed to want? What's their complaint, exactly?

1) It keeps them from shuffling kids around and making a school look better by mixing in some high achievers in order to mask the miserable performance among the ill-served groups that they're supposed to be helping.

2) It actually measures how well the school is doing. It's ok to give that concept lip service, but to actually follow through? Never.

8 posted on 12/23/2003 3:12:22 PM PST by John Jorsett
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To: Sonny M
Maybe I'm wrong but did this article imply that being a minority is akin to a learning disability and due to diversity being a goal, its only natural that the school will perform more poorly?

Sort of. The article does indeed contain the typical "minorities have less potential" hidden assumption of the sensitive PC left, to be sure.

9 posted on 12/23/2003 3:19:38 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Sonny M
Yes.

For all the complex attempts to step around this problem, it appears to be what school district bureaucrats actually think.

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10 posted on 12/23/2003 3:24:45 PM PST by daviddennis (;)
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To: NormsRevenge
Heck, if they can't speak, read or understand English, it's no wonder they can't learn diddly squat.
11 posted on 12/23/2003 3:29:11 PM PST by nmh
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To: NormsRevenge
People aren't going to put up with NCLB for long. There is a school in my county (1200 average SAT scores, sends its graduates to Harvard, Yale, etc.) which is now on a "needs improvement" list because three special ed kids didn't take the tests that NCLB requires.

Chalk this one up to another failed public school reform.
12 posted on 12/23/2003 3:33:01 PM PST by ladylib
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To: NormsRevenge
I asked a young man--a high-school senior--the following question during a Hanukkah party (I'd never met him before):

"You have a calculator with only add, subtract, divide, and multiply functions. How would you go about determining the square root of 5?"

"I'm not good at math. I took math last year."

"You could study it on your own, you know."

"Why?"

He held forth on politics, geography (he knew less than nothing) and why the Islamists hate us. He got it all wrong, with tremendously shallow, mostly invalid reasoning--and incorrect history.

About to graduate from California's schools---one of the "leaders of the future."

--Boris

13 posted on 12/23/2003 3:41:37 PM PST by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: ladylib
You're right - this program has been politically appealing because the mission is noble but it will be meaningless in a few years. Practically all schools will be on one of the government lists. If the communities believe their schools are good those labels will be meaningless and they will not allow the government to do what the law dictates. There surely are some schools with problems but a one size fits all federal government solution is not the answer.
14 posted on 12/23/2003 3:52:03 PM PST by drjulie
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To: drjulie
When the government proclaims "All children WILL...blah, blah, blah -- you know it's going to be a massive failure.

My brother was an ESL teacher last year. He got a new student in his class just off the plane who couldn't speak a word of English. He was actually told that she had to take an English proficiency test to satisfy NCLB requirements.

15 posted on 12/23/2003 4:19:12 PM PST by ladylib
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To: boris
About to graduate from California's schools---one of the "leaders of the future."

You think thats bad? You should have seen some of my college professors. I was a government and politics major, some of my teachers would lecture about business and the need for regulations and about the economy. Before I had become a Gov and Pol major, I had majored in business management, One of my teachers was debating me in class one day, and I asked them point blank if they had ever taken an economics course, the answer was no, ever taken a business class, again, the answer was no.

The killer line, "So everything you know about economics and business comes from the NY Times?" My teacher conceded that she "may not be up to par on some things regarding business, but that the "you can learn alot from the times".

16 posted on 12/23/2003 5:00:09 PM PST by Sonny M (oderintdum" metuant")
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To: ladylib
I use to think Bush was going to stick to his guns with NCLB; but just politics as usual. In our state, they now are moving towards state standards rather than fed standards; and they still will meet NCLB requirements. Teacher endorsements are also changing so they can skirt the highly qualified status which is a joke anyway. Many of the best long time teachers are retiring rather than play the game.

Our district is made up of one central K-12 school, maybe 300 students. We also have 7 village schools with about 30 students in each school. Our community is 200 miles from nx nearest school, so they can bus students. Our small school passed the AYP tests, the only school in the district to do so. So what are they doing? Changing from terra novas and benchmarks to easier tests; again politics.

Here is the biggest difference why some schools pass and other fail miserably. FAMILY. Large majority of our kids have strong families and support at home. Teaching then becomes a pleasure.

Go to a dysfunctional village and you will see the difference. I just wish there was a method to evaluate parenting skills; but the politicals could never do that, lose votes.

17 posted on 12/23/2003 6:55:34 PM PST by Eska
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To: Eska
Some schools are now grading parents on their parenting skills through report cards. I'm not sure it's successful however.
18 posted on 12/24/2003 5:12:05 AM PST by ladylib
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