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When yo base an argument in an obvious lie, or a transparant gfallacy, your argument, however valid it may be, falls apart.

The U.S. Birder Patrol apprehended in excess of 1 million people attempting to enter the US illegally in fiscal 2001, the numbers are slightly lower d=for 2002.

Those numbers destroy the entire "we have open borders" claptrap.

How many were apprehended after they were well over the border --- found in semi trucks and holding houses? It's estimated that over a million are coming in every year illegally ---- but also I know first hand it's not difficult to get over the border in this area. I've got neighbors who just came over that way ---- 2 were deported when they got on their bikes and rode them down I-10 headed for California --- they made it all the way to Deming, they ended over in Juarez but were back within a couple days. Another one got his laser visa taken away because they said he was coming over too often --- they figured he had to be working here --- which he was, of course he's back and still working here. It's not at all difficult to make it over the border.