[Luis Gonzalez]

"How many were apprehended after they were well over the border --- found in semi trucks and holding houses?"

Who cares. they were apprehended and sent back.

We can't possibly stop every murder from happening either, but that does not mean that we have a murder-permissive society.

"It's estimated that over a million are coming in every year illegally."

"Estimated"?

Estimated by whom?

By the same people who, in spite of the very real, very verifiable statistics on the number if people who are stopped from entering the country illegally each year claim that we have "open borders"?

I guess we have no law enforcement because there are millions of crimes every year.

I guess we have an anything-goes society because you can buy drugs in every city and town in America.

I guess that since we can't stop all crime, we may as well just throw our hands up and give up.

"It's not that difficult to get over the border."

Oh yeah?

By your own unsubstantiated, alarmist estimates, 50% who try to do it get caught.

I don't call that "easy".

[FITZ]

It might be higher than 50% getting caught but then they turn around and come back. Some illegals have been caught 8 or more times but after a while they get the hang of how it works and they stop getting caught. I'm not sure the borders have to be all that closed at the actual border anyhow --- I'd be more for cutting off all access to the handout programs and deporting those who commit other types of crime like document fraud and end the anchor baby way of immigration. They can get rid of the problem immigrant easily enough and in my opinion the fences are only needed in certain spots.

[FITZ]

And of course deportation goes on their record which affects their ability to come back legally --- versus voluntary departure which doesn't go on their record.