Posted on 12/25/2003 10:19:48 AM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak
Edited on 04/29/2004 2:03:37 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Well, there are hundreds of stories on this website alone of how large scale illegal and legal immigration is wrecking neighborhoods, towns, cities, schools, ERs, tax rates, wages...etc.
I am going to go by that, amnesties encourage more illegals, and the last amnesty was a social disaster, you could look that up too.
G'night.
Like your prior post...more gross generalizations.
Taking 8-12+ million illegals and calling them legal to somehow "catch up" will not solve the problem...it will make it dramatically worse.
I never said anything about doing nothing...I just directly and strobngly disagree with your approach which is, according to your own words, only based on what you have seen and what your gut tells you. Programs like yours in the past, on a smaller scale, have failed and failed misreably...irrespective of how touchy-feely they were and how well they sold to a supposed voting block.
There is no reason to believe that a larger program of such a nature for those already here would not fail in a proportionally bigger way.
I believe the program that is based on your gut is based far too much on emotion.
I'm sorry Mexico is a hell-hole...the people in Mexico need to stand up on their own two feet and fix it. If they start doing that, and mean it, we will be in a much better position to help them IMHO. Encouraging the opening of the borders in such a way as you do will do nothing to help Mexico and serve only to further drag us down towards their level.
The answer is to toughen up the laws we already have and start enforcing them. Over a 18-24 month time, if we got serious about it, we could enforce those laws and remove most of the illegals already here form our borders and make it plain that the only way to enter this nation is through the legal proscribed method. As top how much "yopu" may benifit form those existing here...that is far you to decide. You go on and on about how we all benefit immenslely...but there is no evidence other than your own opinion to that point. Many here have expolained to you how we do not benefit...or how they do not benefit and why...you emtoionally negate al;l of that with no reasoned arguement other than that from your perspective "it is so".
You emotional rants that those opposing your "plan" are somehow hateful or unchristian, or that it is never going to happen or work, or just that, rants from your perspective.
,,,and that's just my own opinion on the matter...just like yours has been.
If they had a permit wouldn't they then be legal and your argument would work in favor of them?
Please if you could while talking out of your ass name one third world country that fits the description you have indicated. One that will respect our laws and traditions, we have large groups of people in this country now that don't even come close to what you describe and these people have been here for generations.
To: All
Here's a little secret for all America:
Wetbacks are here because YOU demand they be here. It's as simple as that. You won't pay for a meal where the restaurant has to rely on all native workers. Price would double.
You won't pay for a house built with all native labor. Or have your yard taken care of or your pool or on and on and on.
And much of the time you sign contracts with contractors who have no insurance on their workers as well because you refuse to pay for that. Little knowing you could lose everything you own by so doing.
I know, I know, it's not true. You would never do that. "It's not me. It's the other guy." Every time.
42 posted on 12/24/2003 7:49:33 PM CST by mercy
I know, I know, it's not true. You would never do that. "It's not me. It's the other guy." Every time.
What exactly do you mean? Are you calling us a bunch of liars?
This is the type of person minimum wage attracts.
A: For the workers.
Q: Why does the United States Government need foreign workers (not just Mexicans)?
A: It does not have enough labor force to meet the service sector and other blue collar work sector demands and growth within it's economy.
Q: Why does the United States Government not have enough workers to meet economic demand?
A: Over TWENTY MILLION AMERICAN WORKERS HAVE BEEN ABORTED OVER THE PAST TWENTY YEARS.
Q: If over twenty million American workers have been aborted over the past twenty years, who is going to pay for (read: generate taxes) the Social Security of the baby-boomer generation (now reaching critical mass)?
A: Mexican workers.
Any questions?
A: It does not have enough labor force to meet the service sector and other blue collar work sector demands and growth within it's economy.
Not to much blue collar work anymore with all those manufacturing jobs going overseas.
How about a little supply and demand ? Things would even out after awhile without having to do an end-run around the American people.
It depends on the definition of "blue collar" I guess.
True, imported labor tends to initially be used in the agriculture and service industries, then migrates into better paying sectors of the work force.
What will be the saturation point is anybody's guess.
I work in a large machine shop where communication is important. We'd have a hard time building anything if we had people who did not speak english working there.
We're well past the saturation point ---- but welfare and all the many government poverty programs are covering that up ---- what happens when you try to cut back on any of these programs? When the food stamp allotment is cut back or free health care is denied? If the welfare class ever had to go out and try and get a job to feed themselves and found there are no jobs at all for them to do.
Actually I could see that too if it were possible --- but I don't see anything being presented by the current administration that is promoting a foolproof program --- I could see guest workers if the employers were to pay the full cost of their "guest-workers" ---- the full cost of their health care, their education, living expenses, the educational costs, health care costs etc of all the children their "guest-workers" would be bringing over. Or else get the Mexican government to pay for the costs of their citizens here that are not met by the wages they receive.
If the full cost of the "guest-worker" was to be paid though by the employer --- they'd probably decide they weren't cost effective and just go with bringing more illegals in who would still be an enormous expense to the hospitals and schools.
(who needs a 'pool boy' if you don't have a pool ??)
Well, I got a pool and my wife calls me the pool boy (Its a 18 foot dia. above ground pool). Actually I find it kind of relaxing cleaning it. This goes for yardwork, too. I'm real picky about how it looks.
I just don't know where these pro-immigrant/anti-border people get the idea that we're all rich and sitting on our butts having someone else work around our houses.
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