Clint Eastwood: I'm A Libertarian

Libertarian Party press release ^ | 2/18/97 | Not sure

[thoughtomator]

You have a single reference to Hobbes in your profile, as a side note, and on a subject that is peripheral to the work you claim to have read. In addition, the assertion on your profile page with regards to morals is about as anti-Hobbes as it gets. (Bonus points if you can actually describe what Hobbes said about morals.)

Put up or shut up time... on what with regards to Leviathan is anything I said false?

[CWOJackson]

LOL! Good catch. Then there is the:

"I like how most of the "man's man" type actors in Hollywood lean conservative OR libertarian."

Subliminal messages?

[thoughtomator]

What about those of us who are libertarians, conservatives, and republicans (as opposed to Libertarians, Conservatives, and Republicans)?

[tpaine]

thoughtomator wrote:

I think we've had this argument before. I don't see how anyone can in good conscience call 40 million dead babies in 30 years a non-problem.

We have, and you usually just hype about murder.
Prosecute and the killing would stop.. -- Glad you can finally agree..

I'll agree with you on this though: hold the murder trials. I bet you will be astonished at the conviction rate, given that the fact of murder in such instances is a biological certainty.

Bring em on and hang em high..

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

You're probably a defensive Catholic who doesn't like Hobbes. I don't say I agree with his materialist or egoist opinions, but they are quite instructive about human nature and the Bible (Ayn Rand gets much of her philosophy directly from Hobbes).

I'm not interested in a pissing contest over Hobbes. I just know liberals and a lot of people hated him just for what he wrote...

[rwfromkansas]

The thing is, a conservative can be a member of the GOP or Constitution party etc.

A libertarian is well, a libertarian. :)

If you don't agree with the Libertarian party, don't call yourself one, even a "small l" libertarian. Use some other name you can think of to describe your principles.

[thoughtomator]

Nope, sorry, not a Catholic. Not even Christian. And I really have no problem whatsoever with Hobbes; in fact, he has been a major influence on my political philosophy.

I am having a lot of trouble believing you have read Leviathan. Perhaps I am the first person you have ever encountered who has read the entire thing? Give me some reference, any, that demonstrates that you have read even a few chapters of that work. You don't even recognize his description of the state of humanity unaltered by government ("nasty, brutish, and short" - the Hobbesian world to which I referred earlier), which occurs quite early in the tome. I see no recognition of even the basic definition he set forth for the term "moral". On what basis would anyone believe you have read the book?

If you can substantiate what you have said, I will be happy to debate the merits thereof. If you cannot substantiate what you have said, then you owe me an apology.

[tpaine]

Conservative til I die wrote:

Umm, there's this small problem that abortion is not considered murder under our current legal system.

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Simply untrue.

The states/localities can prosecute whom they choose, using constitutional due process, and a jury will decide the individual cases.

They choose to obey current USSC decisions on this subject, but there is ~nothing~ in the constitution to force them to do so..

[Conservative til I die]

LOL, you're silly.

[Conservative til I die]

Subliminal messages?

Not sure what's so subliminal about that statement. It's a pretty self-explanatory statement.

[thoughtomator]

The problem is that 'libertarian' is in fact the accurate term for someone who feels that the liberty of men is the only legitimate purpose of government.

[Conservative til I die]

This is great and all, but you're ignoring the small fact that abortion is not illegal these days, making prosecution impossible.

[Conservative til I die]

One can be a libertarian and be a conservative. Even under the "conservative" banner there are distinctions. You have your Christian conservatives, your Catholic conservatives, libertarian conservatives, economic conservatives, social conservatives, extreme conservatives.

[CWOJackson]

"Not sure what's so subliminal about that statement. It's a pretty self-explanatory statement."

Yes it is...you admit that there is a difference between conservatives and libertarians. You're finally starting to catch on...good for you.

[CWOJackson]

"Watch out liberals and conservatives -- Dirty Harry is a libertarian."

"I like how most of the "man's man" type actors in Hollywood lean conservative or libertarian."

[Squantos]

LMAO.......Damn....and all this time I thought you were a Taurus.....:o)P>Stay Safe !

[Conservative til I die]

Yes it is...you admit that there is a difference between conservatives and libertarians.

I've never said there wasn't a difference between conservatives or libertarians. You're really reaching for material here.

[CWOJackson]

Reaching? Not at all, in your own words:

"I like how most of the "man's man" type actors in Hollywood lean conservative OR libertarian."

Now most normal people would read YOUR use of the word "OR" to mean that the actors are either conservative, OR libertarian. Does the word "OR" have a different meaning for libertarians?

[CWOJackson]

Just want to make sure that we were clear that the two are different...very different.

[rbmillerjr]

"the Oscar-winning actor and director candidly affiliated himself with the growing libertarian movement"

....growing? they've been growing for along time now - minimally.