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The Nanny State Strikes Again
Fox News ^ | 12/26/03 | William A. Niskanen

Posted on 12/27/2003 3:13:33 PM PST by jimkress

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:38:13 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta, who must have little else to do, has recently urged state governments to pass "primary" seat-belt laws, which allow police to stop and cite motorists solely for failing to wear a seat belt.

And the Bush administration has proposed a $400 million incentive to reward state governments that pass such laws.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cato; nannystate; nutjobs; seatbeltlaws
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Eschew tyranny. Support the US Constitution Party.
1 posted on 12/27/2003 3:13:33 PM PST by jimkress
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To: jimkress
Support the US Constitution Party

Support nutjobs...

2 posted on 12/27/2003 3:17:39 PM PST by Drango (Democratic fundraising....If PBS won't do it, who will?)
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To: jimkress
Your conclusino is wrong. Bush is NOT a "CINO".

This illustrates more that this is what happens when you appoint a Democrat in the name of bipartisanship to even what seems at the time an unimportant position. Democrats only exist to do damage to the US and the Constitution.
3 posted on 12/27/2003 3:18:35 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: jimkress
Here in NY, not wearing a seatbelt is already reason enough for the police to pull over your vehicle and I believe it also is acceptable as "probable cause" to search your car for drugs, firearms, or cash.

Very "conservative" of people to support a policy which is antithetical to the 4th, 9th and 10th Amendments to the US Constitution.
4 posted on 12/27/2003 3:22:50 PM PST by bc2 (http://thinkforyourself.us)
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To: FairOpinion
Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta, who must have little else to do, has recently urged state governments to pass "primary" seat-belt laws, which allow police to stop and cite motorists solely for failing to wear a seat belt. And the Bush administration has proposed a $400 million incentive to reward state governments that pass such laws.

I'd like to know how this can possibly be considered a conservative agenda.

All this does is give more of our tax money to the states as an incentive for police to write more tickets and have yet another reason to harrass the public.

5 posted on 12/27/2003 3:23:55 PM PST by Orangedog (Remain calm...all is well! [/sarcasm])
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To: jimkress
The Primary law gets them into your vehicle...its a win win situation....terrorists not wearing seat belts will be caught their vehicles searched and WMD they are carrying will be confiscated...
and millions of Americans will be safer...

Also the states can rake in lots of bucks for all the seat belt tickets..."other" goods they find can generate even more cash...leading all the way up to confiscation of one's property..

Of course bad cops can plant stuff and really do some damage...

Homieland security...wont close the borders profile terrorists or arm all commercial pilots train crews or bus drivers...but they will nail every single non seat belt wearing terrorists....

You can take that to the bank....anyway somebody can....
6 posted on 12/27/2003 3:24:29 PM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Orangedog
I am firmly convinced that if a seatbelt law were challenged in just the right way, framed in the context of health-care self-dtermination, the Supreme Court would overturn all of them. See Echazabal v. Chevron, for example.

Even a prisoner has a recognized right to refuse unwanted medical or health measures.
7 posted on 12/27/2003 3:25:44 PM PST by mvpel
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To: jimkress
allow police to stop and cite motorists solely for failing to wear a seat belt.

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Bridging over the dangerous transition of necessity to prove probable cause to interfere into the lives of citizens versus frivoulous or arbitrary, even whimsical, intrusion into one's life. Telescreens in our homes will be next.

8 posted on 12/27/2003 3:26:06 PM PST by RLK
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To: jimkress
I would prefer they burn the $400 million rather than use it for this. The seat belt laws we currently have are only about money anyway.
9 posted on 12/27/2003 3:26:44 PM PST by microgood (They will all die......most of them.)
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To: joesnuffy
You can take that to the bank....anyway somebody can....

Yeah, the police departments certainly will. Yet another way to shakedown the taxpayers.

10 posted on 12/27/2003 3:27:04 PM PST by Orangedog (Remain calm...all is well! [/sarcasm])
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To: jimkress; Starwind
William A. Niskanen is chairman of the Cato Institute...

One of my favorite economists.

11 posted on 12/27/2003 3:27:33 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Orangedog
Life is full of priorities. Bush put solid conservatives in important positions, like Rumsfeld, but tried to cater to the bipartisanship, as a "small" gesture and let Mineta stay on.

It was a mistake, in retrospect, but Bush was doing it as a good will gesture to the Dems, who of course bit his outstretched hand.

What some people need to learn, is that you can't have a 100% or NOTHING demand, because in that case you will consistently get nothing.

If you don't support Bush, who do you think you are going to get as next president, probably Dean. Do you consider him preferable to President Bush?
12 posted on 12/27/2003 3:27:53 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: mvpel
am firmly convinced that if a seatbelt law were challenged in just the right way, framed in the context of health-care self-dtermination, the Supreme Court would overturn all of them. See Echazabal v. Chevron, for example.

Right...and the supreme court has done wonders for the first amendment lately as well. [/sarcasm]

13 posted on 12/27/2003 3:28:14 PM PST by Orangedog (Remain calm...all is well! [/sarcasm])
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To: jimkress
The Constitution Party looks better with each passing day. Not too much difference between the republicans and democrats.... I think it's rather humorous that the majority of posters here think that GW is going to win the 2004 race by a landslide. They had better think again. There's enough of us that are thoroughly disgusted with the rampant social programs being boosted by the current administration. Unless things change in the next 10 months I'll stay at home on election day...many other conservatives will do the same. No offense folks, GW ain't no conservative.
14 posted on 12/27/2003 3:30:30 PM PST by politicalwit
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To: FairOpinion
If you don't support Bush, who do you think you are going to get as next president, probably Dean. Do you consider him preferable to President Bush?

The GOP has about one election cycle left in the tired mantra of "We're not as bad as the other guys!"

15 posted on 12/27/2003 3:30:55 PM PST by Orangedog (Remain calm...all is well! [/sarcasm])
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To: jimkress
Support the US Constitution Party.

I'm there.

16 posted on 12/27/2003 3:33:49 PM PST by Old Fud
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To: politicalwit
Unless things change in the next 10 months I'll stay at home on election day...many other conservatives will do the same.

I will be if he signs the extension of the assault weapons ban, as he promised that he will when it reaches his desk. That will be the last sraw for me.

17 posted on 12/27/2003 3:35:23 PM PST by Orangedog (Remain calm...all is well! [/sarcasm])
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To: politicalwit
"Unless things change in the next 10 months I'll stay at home on election day...many other conservatives will do the same."

What an IDIOT position to take for a conservative. I guess you'd prefer Pres. Dean's policies. People like you make me ill.

18 posted on 12/27/2003 3:36:52 PM PST by bigfootbob
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To: jimkress
This copy of the Constitution must be out of date. Does anyone have the current version, the one the government is using?
19 posted on 12/27/2003 3:44:58 PM PST by Triple Word Score
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To: Orangedog
They're not the ones who wrote or signed the law, don't forget.
20 posted on 12/27/2003 3:48:01 PM PST by mvpel
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