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Islamists and Anti-Americanism (It's a war to the death which they fully intend to win.)
MERIA [Middle East Review of International Affairs] ^ | December 2003 | Reuven Paz

Posted on 12/27/2003 3:23:46 PM PST by quidnunc

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To: Gritty
Thank you. Talent beats out beauty any day!!
21 posted on 12/27/2003 5:30:18 PM PST by mlmr (Drivel, tedious, trivial drivel, I tell you...)
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To: SJackson
Ping.
22 posted on 12/27/2003 5:30:31 PM PST by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: quidnunc
Sayyid Qutb wrote many articles and letters from the United States. Many of them were collected in a book published in Saudi Arabia in 1985.(1) Many references to his views on the United States are found in his writings, including his monumental interpretation of the Koran, "In the Shadow of the Koran" (Fi Zalal al-Koran). >>

The central event in Sayyid Qutb's life was the fact that some Jewish gal tried to seduce him on the ship over from Egypt.

The difference between his experience and Frank McCourt's("Angela's Ashes") is very instructive. If Qutb had, like McCourt, simply gotten some that night, he could have, like McCourt written an autobiography about how wonderful America was instead of getting a bullet in the brain from Nasser.
23 posted on 12/27/2003 5:31:05 PM PST by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: quidnunc
If it's not a religious war, just what would you call it?

Culture war. And not limited to a struggle between Muslims and Jews (plus "the West") but between neo-caliphates and everyone they consider kufr, including Muslims.

Al-Qa'ida's goal is to "unite all Muslims and to establish a government which follows the rule of the Caliphs." Bin Laden has stated that the only way to establish the Caliphate is by force. Al-Qa'ida's goal, therefore, is to overthrow nearly all Muslim governments, which are viewed as corrupt, to drive Western influence from those countries, and eventually to abolish state boundaries.

There is no question that a sizable portion of the Muslim world considers it to be a religious war.

I always get a chuckle at how misinformed a sizable portion of the Muslim world is about many things. Most of which comes from their clerics - giving many non-religious (in fact anti-Islamic) teachings a religious color.

24 posted on 12/27/2003 5:31:54 PM PST by optimistically_conservative (Nothing is as expensive as a free government service or subsidized benefit.)
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To: optimistically_conservative
optimistically_conservativewrote: (If it's not a religious war, just what would you call it?) Culture war. And not limited to a struggle between Muslims and Jews (plus "the West") but between neo-caliphates and everyone they consider kufr, including Muslims.

In the Muslim world culture is inseparable from Islam.

Devout Muslims consider the Koran to be a comprehensive instruction book on the business of living one's life.

Except for religion the non-Muslims living in the Middle East share most of the cultural traits as the Muslims, but they are not at war with the West.

No, this is a religious war.

25 posted on 12/27/2003 5:42:55 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: Gritty
the end of the United States is going to be in 2004, with the end of the rule of President George W. Bush, "Ramses the 2nd."

Boy, are they in for a surprise!
26 posted on 12/27/2003 5:43:37 PM PST by tet68
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To: tet68
the end of the United States is going to be in 2004, with the end of the rule of President George W. Bush, "Ramses the 2nd."

At one time or another, I was enamoured with the theory Muslims were stuck in the Middle Ages. No more. They are looking at today as the return of the Last Pharaoh and their own salvation through Moses bin Laden.

But they have their characters all mixed up. George W. Bush more accurately resembles Joshua, and for this they should tremble, just like the Canaanites which they resemble and of whom they are descendents!

27 posted on 12/27/2003 5:55:39 PM PST by Gritty
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To: wizardoz
... the thought of smug West End Manhattanites and little Berkeley b*tches in burkahs.

For some reason, this comes to mind:


28 posted on 12/27/2003 6:03:55 PM PST by optimistically_conservative (Nothing is as expensive as a free government service or subsidized benefit.)
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To: quidnunc
Except for religion the non-Muslims living in the Middle East share most of the cultural traits as the Muslims, but they are not at war with the West.

I believe that would be considered an irrelevant conclusion. For example, except for religion, the Muslims everywhere share most of the cultural traits as the non-Muslims in their society, but they are not at war with the West either.

We are not at war with most Muslims, either in the Middle East or outside of it. We couldn't win that war anyway.

In the Muslim world culture is inseparable from Islam.

And yet, there are a number of predominantly Muslim cultures, and many interpretations of Islamic theology. We are at war with the neo-caliphates and their cultural ambitions.

29 posted on 12/27/2003 6:19:15 PM PST by optimistically_conservative (Nothing is as expensive as a free government service or subsidized benefit.)
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To: optimistically_conservative
Heh heh heh....
30 posted on 12/27/2003 6:34:39 PM PST by wizardoz ("Let's roll!" ........................................................ "We got him!")
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To: optimistically_conservative
optimistically_conservativewrote: (Except for religion the non-Muslims living in the Middle East share most of the cultural traits as the Muslims, but they are not at war with the West.) I believe that would be considered an irrelevant conclusion.

Nonsense!

If, as you say, this is a cultural war then the culture we presumably at war with is the Middle-Eastern culture.

But if we are at war with the Muslim part of the Middle-Eastern culture but not the non-Muslims then it is ipso facto a religious war.

The fact that we are not at war with each and every Muslim makes no difference, the salient fact is that everybody who is waging war against us is Muslim and they are waging thast war for religious reasons.

To make the cheese more binding, many Pakistani Muslims — who are not part of the middle-Eastern culture — are also at war with us.

In the name of islam.

That makes it a religious war.

31 posted on 12/27/2003 6:35:45 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
Can't win if your dead!
32 posted on 12/27/2003 6:37:02 PM PST by Hotdog
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To: quidnunc
Go here for quotes of violence from the Quran - http://www.a-zbiblicalconcepts.org/quran.htm
33 posted on 12/27/2003 6:54:15 PM PST by Biblical Concepts
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To: quidnunc
I hope all you foolish Freepers understand this is propaganda, in an attempt to bring the US into the Thousand Year War between Jews and Muslims. Reading it, I am reminded of the comment that when people say Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, until the creation of Israel we had no enemies in the Middle East.
34 posted on 12/27/2003 7:07:57 PM PST by Trickyguy
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To: optimistically_conservative
The parts of this National Post editorial which I have highlighted amply demonsrate that this is a religious war:

Say It: Muslim Terrorist

According to the Canadian Islamic Congress, the newspaper you are reading is "stirring up hatred against an identifiable group of Canadians." As proof, the group has prepared an analysis of what it says is anti-Muslim sentiment in the print media. The results were released yesterday. Out of nine newspapers analyzed, the National Post was judged worst.

The CIC's report caused us concern. Like all mainstream media outlets, we make a good-faith effort to report news objectively. The CIC's claim that we have not only failed in this regard, but also engaged in an ongoing propaganda war against a particular religion, is very serious.

Our concern evaporated, however, when we actually read the CIC's report. (We urge our readers to do likewise. It has been posted at www.canadianislamiccongress.com.) The study purports to be an objective, statistical analysis of the incidence of "anti-Islam terminology." What counts as "anti-Islam terminology"? Apparently, the term "Muslim terrorist" does. Under the CIC's rules, it counts for 80 hate points. So do "Muslim militants" (70 points), "Muslim extremists" (60 points) and "Muslim fundamentalists" (50 points).

The CIC's campaign is not a battle against hate. It is a battle against truth. Pop quiz: What do al-Qaeda, Hamas, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, Pakistan's Harakat ul-Mujahidin and Egypt's al-Jihad have in common? Not just that they are made up of people who happen to worship Allah, but that they fight with the explicit aim of destroying secular governments and instating Muslim theocracies. "Muslim terrorist" is therefore an entirely apt term. The religion of such terrorists is not incidental to their terrorist acts as is the case with, say, Timothy McVeigh or Spain's Basques. Islam is their raison d'être, their inspiration, their call to battle, their means of recruitment and, in the second before they explode themselves, their great comfort.

That fact is reflected in the names the groups pick for themselves. How, we'd like to know, would the CIC have us refer to the Palestinian terrorist group Islamic Jihad? When the group triumphantly claims responsibility for blowing up a disco or a school bus, should we be careful to report the claimant group as "Is***ic Jihad" so as not to promote "stereotypes"? For that matter, how many hate points do we get for using the word "Hamas"? Presumably that group's name is off-limits, too, because it is an Arabic acronym for "Islamic Resistance Movement."

Finally, we should point out that if there is anyone who needs to be lectured about hysteria and hyperbole, it is the CIC. Last month, a CIC representative told a Commons committee that the treatment of Muslims in the days since Sept. 11 is comparable to that of Japanese Americans during the Second World War. He also claimed that "hundreds" of Arabs and Muslims have been arrested and detained, refused normal toilet facilities and left naked in cells. Proof? None.

Like the vast majority of Canadians, the members of the National Post editorial staff bear no ill will toward Islam or the many Canadians who peaceably practise it. We will not, however, be cowed into self-censorship by those who see truthful reporting as an act of hate. If the CIC is concerned with anti-Islamic sentiment, it should turn its attention to its source — the monsters who blaspheme Allah by attacking civilians in His name. Blaming the messenger will get the CIC nowhere.

(The National Post editorial, December 7, 2001)
http://www.nationalpost.com/commentary/story.html?f=/stories/20011207/812263.html


35 posted on 12/27/2003 7:26:37 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
Bump
36 posted on 12/27/2003 7:35:27 PM PST by The Mayor (You don't need to know where you're going if you let God do the leading)
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To: quidnunc
bttt
37 posted on 12/27/2003 7:50:06 PM PST by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: quidnunc
Barring the actions of 9/11/01 the Muslims would be far ahead of the game. All they had to do was keep creeping along one city, one nation at a time and in a 100 years or so they would have had the world in the bag.

However some of the more dimwitted got itchy trigger fingers. They figured that Americans were like the twittering cream puffs of Europe. They had some reason to believe this given Fat Willy's track record. But lo and behold America had a different leader and US troops are the best in world, as long as you leave them alone and let them get on with the job.

Islam has made its final enemy!
38 posted on 12/27/2003 8:05:18 PM PST by vladog
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To: quidnunc
BTTT!
39 posted on 12/27/2003 8:09:17 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: Trickyguy
Well the thousand year war just got a new player on 09/11/01. We'll see what we can do to end this war, by seeking out this evil where ever it breeds.

The best propaganda I've seen lately is by CAIR.
40 posted on 12/27/2003 8:09:36 PM PST by vladog
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