[gawd]

You will not say 'illegal immigration'.

I believe, like many of the Founding Fathers (go ahead and check), that immigration is a right, and therefore "illegal immigration" is something completely nonsensical.

[liberallyconservative]

There are laws in place for the pursuit of legal immigration. To ignore or willfully break those laws constitutes the "illegal" status.

[Mackey]

I believe, like many of the Founding Fathers (go ahead and check), that immigration is a right, and therefore "illegal immigration" is something completely nonsensical.

Oh wow, how can I possibly respond to that? Guess I'll just have to take your word for it.

< /sarcasm >

[Cyropaedia]

So,they believed immigration was an actual "right"? Uh, I don't think so pal. Here are some writings from Mr. Thomas Jefferson on the immigrants coming to his country at the time. He obviously had qualms about immigration and that some immigrants were preferable to others :

Some selected quotes:

"[Is] rapid population [growth] by as great importations of foreigners as possible... founded in good policy?... They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave, imbibed in their early youth; or, if able to throw them off, it will be in exchange for an unbounded licentiousness, passing, as is usual, from one extreme to another. It would be a miracle were they to stop precisely at the point of temperate liberty. These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children. In proportion to their number, they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its direction, and render it a heterogeneous, incoherent, distracted mass... If they come of themselves, they are entitled to all the rights of citizenship: but I doubt the expediency of inviting them by extraordinary encouragements." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.VIII, 1782. ME 2:118

"Although as to other foreigners it is thought better to discourage their settling together in large masses, wherein, as in our German settlements, they preserve for a long time their own languages, habits, and principles of government, and that they should distribute themselves sparsely among the natives for quicker amalgamation, yet English emigrants are without this inconvenience. They differ from us little but in their principles of government, and most of those (merchants excepted) who come here, are sufficiently disposed to adopt ours." --Thomas Jefferson to George Flower, 1817. ME 15:140

Mr. Jefferson was NOT an open borders idiot, contrary to what you may think.

BTW, Even the the paragon of 20th Century Libertarianism, Ludwig Von Mises was against a country actually having an open borders immigration policy.

[XBob]

114 - You wrote - "I believe, like many of the Founding Fathers (go ahead and check), that immigration is a right, and therefore "illegal immigration" is something completely nonsensical."

As you argue our laws are nonsensical, Since that is what you believe, and my rights are to my beliefs, and I believe I, and actually everybody, have a right to live in your house - it is nonsensical not to believe that.

You have got to be consistent, either believe or don't believe.

Why don't you get the hell back to your own country and out of mine?