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Corporate Thought Police: Growing pro-gay business agenda jeopardizes religious employees
Christianity Today ^ | 12/30/03 | John W. Kennedy

Posted on 12/30/2003 6:56:51 AM PST by Zender500

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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Please don't be one of those Freepers who throws out his theories, then, when someone argues an alternative, you just dig in and dig in and dig in.

Do I "recall" the threat of a boycott over the CBS Reagan movie? Uh, yeah, if I strain my brain...I think I can reach back three months. Oh, yeah, now I remember. It wasn't so much a "threat" of a boycott as a firestorm of protest that reached critical mass very quickly and then held its heat. Once CBS realized they were about to do something unpopular, and that people were not going to go away soon, AND that the movie was inaccurate to boot...yes, they backed down. But how often does something like that happen? Once a decade, once a generation?

As for all the activity going on on the internet, fine, wonderful, it's just one more venue for commerce, and I applaud that. I make part of my money on the net myself. But let's get serious: a couple million entrepreneurs are not going to displace global corporations. (But one thing you said intrigued me: where can I buy guns on the internet? I'm serious.)

There's another way to "escape the pc corporate mentality." Most people just ignore it. Most people understand that it's a joke. Most people park their politics and religion at the door, then go through the door and do their job. When mgmt. crosses the line and makes you sign pledges, that's going too far, and then you can decide to make a stand legally/morally or flee to the internet to sell trinkets to others who have "escaped."

Have you considered that the corrosive effect of PC thinking has infected not just corporations, but virtually every institution in our culture? By the way, if you think you're out there on the net, being free and pure, why don't you post your BELIEFS about controversial subjects right on your business homepage, and only buy from and sell to those who believe as you do. Yeah, that's what I thought.
61 posted on 12/30/2003 10:41:17 AM PST by John Robertson
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To: bk1000
Yeah, I know what you mean. I got called into see the corporate shrink in March for making some politically correct remark of which I was only informed vaguely of the specifics (supposedly not, as I suspect, comments in support of the WOT). Thanks to a fellow Freeper who was an expert in dealing with this kind of thing (WISH I could remember who), I played along and even tried to turn the tables by letting her know the insensitive and unkind remarks made about my particular ethnicity-disability. Oh, she assured me, I would be welcome to lodge complaints against the offenders. Yeah, sure, I thought and get a reputation for being thin-skinned as well as politically incorrect.

The one thing I learned is that listed corporations, even if they can't afford an adequate staff of people who actually do the work and, consequently, have the worker bees do the job of 1.5 to 2 others, they always manage to afford someone in HR or training or whatever other department is assigned to insulate them from lawsuits against the PC nazis-- often by hiring one.

63 posted on 12/30/2003 10:43:34 AM PST by Vigilanteman
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To: Vigilanteman
Yes, even in tough times, our company maintains a 'General Manager of Diversity'. I kid you not! Off the record, I asked my boss if there was really a need for such a position. His reply was that I would simply not believe the need for this position.
64 posted on 12/30/2003 10:50:50 AM PST by bk1000 (put him back in the spider hole)
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To: ladyinred
Maybe I should have put a smiley face after my statement. I'm posting tongue-in-cheek dontcha know.
65 posted on 12/30/2003 11:06:28 AM PST by OpusatFR (Al Dean and Howard Gore, separated at birth.)
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To: John Robertson
But let's get serious: a couple million entrepreneurs are not going to displace global corporations.:

It's not about displacing global corporations lol, nor was that my initial argument. All I'm saying is for those who prefer not to go into work everyday and be forced to sign pledges etc, as we both agree are abhorrent, there are alternatives such as opening up your own business.

You stated the only thing to sell on the internet are wedges and I was pointing out to you that's not true, almost everything is being sold now and small businessmen are getting rich. There's nothing wrong with that and if people want freedom, independence and piece of mind without political correctness shoved down their throats that's one way to go.

There's another way to "escape the pc corporate mentality." Most people just ignore it.

Absolutely, but as you can see in this story some are not able to completely ignore it and are offended. One person filed a lawsuit in federal court, and I hope he wins. But there are other ways to fight the pc crowd too, including negative public exposure, boycotts, and word of mouth. There are also legislative possibilities like electing more conservatives to Congress and state legislatures to put a stop to it.

By the way, if you think you're out there on the net, being free and pure, why don't you post your BELIEFS about controversial subjects right on your business homepage, and only buy from and sell to those who believe as you do.

Why would I want to do that? I'm selling something commercial, it's not a political webpage.

66 posted on 12/30/2003 11:08:09 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping List - and thanks to everyone who brought these to my attention. I can't read them right now, I will later and join the discussion (if there's anything left after you guys take care of it).

Anyone who wants on - or off - the ping list, ping me!


lj
67 posted on 12/30/2003 11:19:45 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Just tell me where to buy a freakin' gun on the net, okay?
68 posted on 12/30/2003 11:22:28 AM PST by John Robertson
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To: John Robertson
Just tell me where to buy a freakin' gun on the net, okay?

Check your e-mail.

69 posted on 12/30/2003 11:32:10 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Zender500
**The culture war over homosexuality in America has moved to a new front—the workplace.**

Moving to the workplace?? LOL!!

It's been there for a long time -- do a search on

NEA and GLSEN
70 posted on 12/30/2003 11:53:58 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

You can carve out your own little niche that's totally free of corporate control.

I think this is one of the reasons the Amish have been so selective about using technology. They know the more they depend on the outside world the more they become subservient to it. And the less they need the more they are free.

71 posted on 12/30/2003 5:42:05 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: John Robertson; All

By the way, if you think you're out there on the net, being free and pure, why don't you post your BELIEFS about controversial subjects right on your business homepage, and only buy from and sell to those who believe as you do. Yeah, that's what I thought.

That's actually a pretty good idea. I would be more likely to buy from someone who believes as I do.

72 posted on 12/30/2003 5:55:14 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Tired_of_the_Lies

Are you sure that is true? I thought homosexuals were one of the demographic groups that Hitler and his thugs sought to exterminate.

True, but they killed Jews and some of the Nazis were part Jewish. I think there was even speculation that Hitler was. It's just that no one in Germany would dare mention it.

73 posted on 12/30/2003 5:59:20 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans
Good Point.
74 posted on 12/30/2003 7:26:53 PM PST by Tired_of_the_Lies
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To: Dan Evans
I think this is one of the reasons the Amish have been so selective about using technology.

Quite a few Amish live not too far from me in the area, and you are right, they are very independent. The last I heard they were farming honey bees. People can make a nice living just doing that and selling it on the internet.

75 posted on 12/30/2003 8:09:05 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: RightOnline
Now how about those of us who work for mega corporations that decide to shove the homosexual agenda down our throats? Guess, since we're on their time, we need to shut up and take it, right slick?

Get a job someplace else then, or become a large enough shareholder to effect policy change, or start your own business.

Your feelings should not dictate company policy beyond the consideration that the owner himself decides to give to your feelings.

You don't have a right to have a job that automatically comports with your personal beliefs or lifestyle choices, regardless of what the law claims for this special interest group or that.

So yes, you check it at the door, regardless of what it is. You do at my business, anyhow, and that's a right every employer should have, even if the law says otherwise.

77 posted on 12/31/2003 6:50:57 AM PST by Eris
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To: GrandMoM

The business owner can do as they please - it's their business.

If they want to make you wear green felt hats, you will wear a green felt hat or seek employment elsewhere.

You are not on equal footing with your employer.

78 posted on 12/31/2003 6:53:11 AM PST by Eris
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To: Eris
I've run my own business, and have spent decades in the business world. I know how it works. To attempt to deny the existence of faith in your employees is the worst kind of naivete........not to mention doing a disservice to them. Be realistic; this isn't about preaching at the office, and you know it.

It's also easy to give a flip response like 'find another job'. I LIKE my job, I LIKE my company. They're one of the largest corporations on the face of the planet, and they treat their people well. I have a responsible position and am good at what I do. I have no desire to leave it.

I also reserve the right to NOT play along with the PC nonsense that occasionally gets passed down. Here's a clue: most don't play along. They give it a surly "yeah yeah; right", then press on doing their jobs. I have the luxury of doing just that.

Not all do. It's grossly unfair, and if you believe that it is perfectly ok for a corporation to shove the latest gay-loving or other ultra-hip-PC crap down their employees' throats while, at the same time, you insist that employees check their beliefs at the door.......then God help you if you ever grow to be a large company.

I wonder how your employees would feel if you publicly posted your stance on this by the water cooler.

79 posted on 12/31/2003 7:49:25 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: RightOnline
It's also easy to give a flip response like 'find another job'. I LIKE my job, I LIKE my company. They're one of the largest corporations on the face of the planet, and they treat their people well. I have a responsible position and am good at what I do. I have no desire to leave it.

Good for you. But if they start a policy you don't like and you can't effect change through the proper processes, then you shouldn't bitch. The company is not there to make you happy. It's there to make money for its shareholders.

I also reserve the right to NOT play along with the PC nonsense that occasionally gets passed down. Here's a clue: most don't play along. They give it a surly "yeah yeah; right", then press on doing their jobs. I have the luxury of doing just that.

Then all the better for you. But that doesn't change the fact you work at their pleasure, and they can require anything of you they please. Sure, it may be a bad move on their part in that it alienates key employees, but businesses shouldn't be protected from making bad decisions.

Fact is, a business should be run exactly as the owners wish it.

Not all do. It's grossly unfair, and if you believe that it is perfectly ok for a corporation to shove the latest gay-loving or other ultra-hip-PC crap down their employees' throats while, at the same time, you insist that employees check their beliefs at the door.......then God help you if you ever grow to be a large company.

I believe everyone should check their agendas at the door - gay, religious and whatever. It's a place of business, not a sewing circle. You don't like company policy, get a job elsewhere.

I wonder how your employees would feel if you publicly posted your stance on this by the water cooler.

They are all perfectly well aware of my position.

80 posted on 12/31/2003 7:56:01 AM PST by Eris
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