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Forest Service taking the heat
Salt Lake Tribune ^
| Jan. 1, 2004
| Brent Israelsen
Posted on 01/01/2004 2:17:49 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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...nobody is questioning the need for prescribed burns, which have proven to be an effective ecological tool.
Well, maybe "nobody" SHOULD be questioning the need for presribed burns. I find their pattern of controlled burns getting out of control pretty disturbing. In most cases, the cause of the out-of-control fire is sheer incompetence.
To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Dave Harmon, engine boss for the U.S. Forest Service, studies the Cascade
Springs II fire, west of Deer Creek Reservoir, on Sept. 25.
(Al Hartmann/Salt Lake Tribune file photo)
To: madfly; **Utah; *Enviralists
Ping!!
To: farmfriend
ping
To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity; AAABEST; Ace2U; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; amom; AndreaZingg; Anonymous2; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
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posted on
01/01/2004 9:04:00 PM PST
by
farmfriend
( Isaiah 55:10,11)
To: glock rocks; Pete-R-Bilt
ping
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posted on
01/01/2004 9:16:09 PM PST
by
B4Ranch
(Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
The guy in the photo is thinking, " We will back fire from here"
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posted on
01/01/2004 9:47:16 PM PST
by
forester
(Here's wishing you a happy new year!!!)
To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity; SierraWasp; farmfriend; sasquatch; Carry_Okie; marsh2; Grampa Dave; ...
To state officials, the most troubling aspect of the Cascade Springs II fire is why Forest Service crews set fire to a 400-acre parcel outside the original 600-acre boundaries. The Forest Service's own post-fire investigation concluded that the "primary cause" of the wildfire was the decision to ignite that 400-acre parcel
As a former seasonal (7 years) USFS fire fighter, this is to be expected from an agency that promotes people based on race, gender and ideology instead of ability. That is why these folks look at 90 years of fuel build-up and think that throwing a match into it is better then people "managing the forest." Notice that they called it a wildfire when they lost control. The only thing wild about stuff like this is:... hardly anyone ever finds out about it.
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posted on
01/01/2004 9:57:22 PM PST
by
forester
(Here's wishing you a happy new year!!!)
To: forester
Notice that they called it a wildfire when they lost control. The only thing wild about stuff like this is:... hardly anyone ever finds out about it. State sponsored arson.
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posted on
01/01/2004 10:10:32 PM PST
by
farmfriend
( Isaiah 55:10,11)
To: farmfriend
BTTT!!!!!!
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posted on
01/02/2004 3:13:24 AM PST
by
E.G.C.
To: farmfriend; forester
Notice that they called it a wildfire when they lost control. The only thing wild about stuff like this is:... hardly anyone ever finds out about it. State sponsored arson.
You got that right. Later on when the fire was over, I'm sure the engine boss in the above pic was at the local bar telling stories about how heroic he and his guys are, neglecting to tell people that it was his agency's incompetence that started the "wildfire" in the first place.
The lapdog news media conveniently failed to report how the Forest Service paid tens of millions of dollars to angry Los Alamos residents for burning up their town and the local countryside. The news media also didn't report that the top 3 bosses involved in that fiasco were placed on paid administrative leave (paid vacation), "reassigned" (allowed to sit at a desk playing solitaire and drinking coffee and being home by 1:00 PM every day), and allowed to retire with full benefits.
To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity; 1Old Pro; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; a_federalist; abner; aculeus; ...
"The Forest Service's own post-fire investigation concluded that the 'primary cause' of the wildfire was the decision to ignite that 400-acre parcel." Interesting, let's read on...
"Well, maybe 'nobody' SHOULD be questioning the need for presribed burns. I find their pattern of controlled burns getting out of control pretty disturbing. In most cases, the cause of the out-of-control fire is sheer incompetence."
Is your mind open to another suggestion?
The Forest Service is over-run with pagan environmentalists, and they have an agenda so dark that they make Stalin and Hitler seem like choir boys. This is all far beyond accidents, and coincidences, and the well known incompetetence of the fed gov cannot explain recent events.
Having watched the behavior of the supervisory personnel during the lightening-started fires in Tuolumne county last summer, I have come to the realization that there is a policy in place (at what level I do not know) to allow fires to get a head start before they begin to fight them.
If you'll recall, that is what allowed the Biscuit fire to eventually burn almost 1/4 of the forests in central Oregon.
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posted on
01/03/2004 3:01:43 PM PST
by
editor-surveyor
( . Best policy RE: Environmentalists, - ZERO TOLERANCE !!)
To: editor-surveyor
Like your tag line.
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posted on
01/03/2004 3:11:23 PM PST
by
farmfriend
( Isaiah 55:10,11)
To: editor-surveyor
FIRE ~ Bump!
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posted on
01/03/2004 3:11:56 PM PST
by
blackie
To: forester
I'm glad that I didn't have a mouth full of coffee when I read your statement:
The guy in the photo is thinking, " We will back fire from here"
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posted on
01/03/2004 4:08:54 PM PST
by
Grampa Dave
(Kaddaffi: "I will do whatever the Americans want. I saw what happened in Iraq. I was scared!)
To: forester
An example of your PC Affirmative Action Diversity Forestry Union in action.
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posted on
01/03/2004 4:10:11 PM PST
by
Grampa Dave
(Kaddaffi: "I will do whatever the Americans want. I saw what happened in Iraq. I was scared!)
To: editor-surveyor
My husband who is from California says most of the fires there are man made.
To: editor-surveyor
The Forest Service is over-run with pagan environmentalists, and they have an agenda so dark that they make Stalin and Hitler seem like choir boys.And they churn out junk science in an attempt to mislead.
Thanks for the ping.
To: editor-surveyor
There is a policy of nature's method of controlling trashy forests. The great fire in the Yellowstone several years, a decade ago, was allowed to burn until it got so large that they decided it was going to get out of the park and overwhelm the states surrounding it.
According to the enviros, human progress is to be avoided at any cost. Unfortunately, there are many enviros imbedded in the government. There is also the issue that fire fighting is a vocation of its own in the forest service. They don't want the fire to get out of control but want a big enough one to fill out the paycheck.
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posted on
01/03/2004 5:20:28 PM PST
by
meenie
(Remember the Alamo! Alamo! One more time. Alamo!!!)
To: editor-surveyor
The fire that burned all those homes around Hamilton Montana a few years back could have easily been put out.
Several experienced fire fighters, ( out of work loggers), and other truck drivers stopped to put it out right after it started and were chased away by Forest Service employees.
Instead of paying the local out of work loggers they brought what they called more expert fire fighters from other countries to fight the fire.
At night the would share cultural dances in the fire camps
Didn't sound too much like their fire fighting was very hard work.
I am still angry about it.
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