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Dean Narrowing Separation of Church and Stump; Invokes Muslim Phrases; Claims Biblical Knowledge
New York Times ^ | January 4, 2004 | JODI WILGOREN

Posted on 01/03/2004 6:23:24 PM PST by nwrep

STORM LAKE, Iowa, Jan. 3 — Little by little, the Lord is seeping into Howard Dean's presidential campaign.

In South Carolina the other day, an invocation preceded the political speeches, and David Mack, a state legislator, closed the rally with "God bless you and keep you." In Iowa last weekend, Dr. Dean referred to the New Testament. On Friday in New Hampshire, he invoked a Muslim phrase, "inshallah," God willing, to make a point about Americans believing they control their destiny.

"I'm still learning a lot about faith and the South and how important it is," Dr. Dean, the former governor of Vermont, said as he flew here, 150 miles northwest of Des Moines, Friday night on his chartered jet, predicting he would mention God more and more in the coming weeks. "It doesn't make me more religious or less religious than I was before, but it means that I'm willing to talk about it in different ways."

Dr. Dean recently told an audience in Iowa that he prayed daily. On the plane he declined to detail his prayer ritual but described how a 2002 trip to Israel deepened his understanding of the connections between Judaism and Christianity. He named Job as his favorite New Testament book, then later corrected himself, noting that it is in the Old Testament.

"I'm a New Englander, so I'm not used to wearing religion on my sleeve and being as open about it," he said. "I'm gradually getting more comfortable with talking about religion in ways that I did not talk about it before."

The changes come amid concern from several corners about the stridently secular tone of his campaign so far. In contrast to his Democratic opponents, who frequently discuss their faith in public, not to mention the born-again incumbent, President Bush, Dr. Dean said plainly in an interview a couple of months back: "I don't think that religion ought to be part of American policy."

A cover story in The New Republic last month, headlined "Howard Dean's religion problem," called him "one of the most secular candidates to run for president in modern history," and suggested this would "mark him as culturally alien to much of the country." A rash of columns followed with similar warnings, and voters have begun to inquire about the issue at town hall meetings.

"I'm pretty religious," he responded the other day in Waterloo, Iowa. "I pray every day, but I'm from New England, so I just keep it to myself.

"Don't you think Jerry Falwell reminds you a lot more of the Pharisees than he does of the teachings of Jesus?" he added. "And don't you think this campaign ought to be about evicting the money-changers from the temple?"

Dr. Dean grew up spending Sundays in an Episcopal church, and attended religious boarding school, but became a Congregationalist after the Episcopal church he belonged to in Burlington, Vt., refused to yield land for a bike path around Lake Champlain that he championed. His wife is Jewish and their children observe both traditions, though the family stopped attending services years ago after scolding sermons about once-a-year attendees.

The campaign has brought Dr. Dean back to the pews, clapping along with hymns in African-American churches from Harlem to San Francisco. At a Hanukkah party for his staff last month in Manchester, N.H., Dr. Dean proudly chanted the blessing over the candles in well-accented Hebrew and then repeated it for an Israeli television crew.

During the interview Friday night, Dr. Dean said he was moved during a tour of the Old City in Jerusalem when his guide pointed out half a house next to a stone wall that King Hezekiah had ordered built to defend against invaders. In a neighboring house, "you can sit on the third floor and you can pray, and you look out the window and you look down at the wall and the house and understand that 3,000 years ago people prayed the same prayers in the same language," Dr. Dean said. "Now that's an extraordinary thing that happens when you go to Israel."

Touring with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Dr. Dean also visited Galilee, where Jesus preached the Sermon on the Mount. "If you know much about the Bible — which I do — to see and be in a place where Christ was and understand the intimate history of what was going on 2,000 years ago is an exceptional experience," he said.

Asked his favorite New Testament book, Dr. Dean named Job, adding: "But I don't like the way it ends." "Some would argue, you know, in some of the books of the New Testament, the ending of the Book of Job is different," he said. "I think, if I'm not mistaken, there's one book where there's a more optimistic ending, which we believe was tacked on later."

Job, the Old Testament story of a righteous man who suffers hardships as a test of his faith, ends with the Lord restoring his fortunes and the protagonist living to be "an old man, and full of days." Some scholars have posited that the original ending may have been more dour.

An hour after his comments, Dr. Dean returned to the clutch of reporters, saying he realized he had misspoken because Job is not in the New Testament.

"Many people believe that the original version of Job is the version where there is not a change, Job ends up completely destitute and ruined," he said. "It's been a long time since I looked at this, but it's believed that was added much, much later. Many people believe that the original ending was about the power of God and the power of God was almighty and all knowing and it wasn't necessary that everybody was going to be redeemed."

Asked again about his favorite part of the New Testament, Dr. Dean said, "Anything in the Gospels."

His press secretary, Doug Thornell, telephoned late Friday night to say that Dr. Dean did not mean to imply he was some kind of expert.

"He obviously has read the Bible and knows the passages fairly well," Mr. Thornell said, "but just in terms of having a theologian's knowledge of the Bible, he doesn't want to pass on the impression that he does."


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: 2004; britain; christianlist; dean; deanschristianity; electionpresident; howarddean; talk
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To: E=MC<sup>2</sup>
I have to take my hat off to the NYT for asking that question about fav NT book.
21 posted on 01/03/2004 6:38:49 PM PST by nwrep
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To: nwrep
NOT GONNA BUY IT, HOWIE! You are a hypocrite and a cynical manipulator, NOTHING MORE!
22 posted on 01/03/2004 6:39:02 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: nwrep
hehe ! I gotta keep cheering him on ! Go, Howie ! ...

23 posted on 01/03/2004 6:39:22 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Howie Dean in the South !!: http://Richard.Meek.home.comcast.net/IowaRatsLastMealNewDeal.JPG)
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To: nwrep

24 posted on 01/03/2004 6:39:37 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: Peach
he's so religious he left his church because they would not install a bike path.

I would imagine that "the Gospels" left this out and that's what his beef is with the Gospels.

I always thought we'd be hard pressed to find a bigger idiot than gore, but lo and behold....

25 posted on 01/03/2004 6:40:19 PM PST by PistolPaknMama (pro gun Mother's Day 2004! www.2asisters.org)
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To: nwrep
"I'm still learning a lot about faith and the South and how important it is," Dr. Dean, the former governor of Vermont, said as he flew here, 150 miles northwest of Des Moines, Friday night on his chartered jet, predicting he would mention God more and more in the coming weeks. "It doesn't make me more religious or less religious than I was before, but it means that I'm willing to talk about it in different ways."

So the fool is actually admitting that he's only "finding religion" for political reasons. If putting one's foot in mouth were an Olympic sport, he'd win the gold.

26 posted on 01/03/2004 6:41:04 PM PST by AQGeiger
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname
the only prayer he says daily is that the American people will be stupid enuff to let him be prez!!!

there are a great many more people praying everyday that that will never happen!!

who will win?? 1 liar or 10 million believers??
27 posted on 01/03/2004 6:41:26 PM PST by cajun-jack
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To: MeeknMing; autoresponder; Registered

Dean comes with High Endorsements . .


28 posted on 01/03/2004 6:41:52 PM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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To: spectre
"An hour after his comments, Dr. Dean returned to the clutch of reporters, saying he realized he had misspoken because Job is not in the New Testament."

Howie doest seem to be up on this stuff and I'm no theologian but I somehow think he can relate to Mammon
29 posted on 01/03/2004 6:42:38 PM PST by mylife
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To: nwrep
Can you say 'pandering'?!

...Dean's unbelievable. If he honestly believes (White or even Black) church-going, Bible-believing Southerners are going to fall for this claptrap, The Duck is sorely mistaken. What's that old saying? You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time? This guy's such a fake. If he was really sincere about a relationship with the Lord, he wouldn't be ashamed to admit he prays. And it certainly isn't as if President Bush shoves his faith down people's throats, as Dean and the NYT would have anyone believe, of course. This is nothing more than the usual Democratic political chicanery, tailoring one's campaign to every focus group. Even Stevie Wonder, in a song from his 1972 release, "Talking Book", recognized the shallowness of politicians in a song entitled, "Big Brother", in which he describes some of these charlatans only coming around during election time (yes, I know back in 2000, he shared a stage in either Chicago or Detroit with then-candidate Al Gore, I guess not having learned too much from his own material). Zell Miller has already said he's going to roll up the red carpet when Dean comes to Georgia. Sheesh!

-Regards, T.

30 posted on 01/03/2004 6:42:44 PM PST by T Lady (Who Let the 'RATS Out?!!)
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To: nwrep
Asked his favorite New Testament book, Dr. Dean named Job, adding: "But I don't like the way it ends." "Some would argue, you know, in some of the books of the New Testament, the ending of the Book of Job is different," he said. "I think, if I'm not mistaken, there's one book where there's a more optimistic ending, which we believe was tacked on later."

Oh... my... guh...

Bwwwwwwwaaaaaaaahahahahahaha!!! This guy is just too good to be true.

31 posted on 01/03/2004 6:43:47 PM PST by Texas_Dawg (Waging war against the American "worker".)
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To: nwrep
If you know much about the Bible — which I do...

What arrogance. What did his mother say, that they didn't treat the servants as servants. I don't believe that either.

32 posted on 01/03/2004 6:44:08 PM PST by Ruth A.
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To: PistolPaknMama
lo and behold is right. And the support he has...all of which just goes to prove that some Americans are indeed idiots and should have to take competency tests before being permitted the privilege of voting.
33 posted on 01/03/2004 6:45:06 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: nwrep
Dean Invokes Muslim Phrases; Claims Biblical Knowledge

Can't wait till he starts speakin' in tongues and chuckin' snakes.

34 posted on 01/03/2004 6:45:31 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Uday and Qusay are ead-day)
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To: MeeknMing
WOW, MeeknMing!! He's going even further off the beam than even we gave him credit for! I have a strange feeling if you sent him your Masterpiece, he would have it printed into his official campaign posters. I am beginning to truly believe he Truly Believes he is the savior of the dems.
35 posted on 01/03/2004 6:45:49 PM PST by small voice in the wilderness
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To: MeeknMing
Yeah, almost makes me want to go and get a "Dean 2004" bumper sticker....to be removed and replaced with a "Bush 2004" one as soon as Howie wins the Dem nomination, of course.
36 posted on 01/03/2004 6:46:56 PM PST by AQGeiger
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To: MeeknMing
Me too. When some Berkeley lib starts telling me how great the guy is, I just agree.
37 posted on 01/03/2004 6:48:21 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: nwrep
OMG, I read this to my 15 year old son and his response was, "IS DEAN INSANE!!!!???" ROFLMAO!
38 posted on 01/03/2004 6:48:26 PM PST by ShandaLear
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To: MeeknMing
Mister Meek, you've done it again! LOL!

-Regards, T.
39 posted on 01/03/2004 6:49:50 PM PST by T Lady (Who Let the 'RATS Out?!!)
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To: nwrep

Touring with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Dr. Dean also visited Galilee, where Jesus preached the Sermon on the Mount. "If you know much about the Bible — which I do — to see and be in a place where Christ was and understand the intimate history of what was going on 2,000 years ago is an exceptional experience," he said.

Asked his favorite New Testament book, Dr. Dean named Job, adding: "But I don't like the way it ends." "Some would argue, you know, in some of the books of the New Testament, the ending of the Book of Job is different," he said. "I think, if I'm not mistaken, there's one book where there's a more optimistic ending, which we believe was tacked on later."

You couldn't make this stuff up . . .

40 posted on 01/03/2004 6:52:58 PM PST by Timmy
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