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Dean Narrowing Separation of Church and Stump; Invokes Muslim Phrases; Claims Biblical Knowledge
New York Times ^ | January 4, 2004 | JODI WILGOREN

Posted on 01/03/2004 6:23:24 PM PST by nwrep

STORM LAKE, Iowa, Jan. 3 — Little by little, the Lord is seeping into Howard Dean's presidential campaign.

In South Carolina the other day, an invocation preceded the political speeches, and David Mack, a state legislator, closed the rally with "God bless you and keep you." In Iowa last weekend, Dr. Dean referred to the New Testament. On Friday in New Hampshire, he invoked a Muslim phrase, "inshallah," God willing, to make a point about Americans believing they control their destiny.

"I'm still learning a lot about faith and the South and how important it is," Dr. Dean, the former governor of Vermont, said as he flew here, 150 miles northwest of Des Moines, Friday night on his chartered jet, predicting he would mention God more and more in the coming weeks. "It doesn't make me more religious or less religious than I was before, but it means that I'm willing to talk about it in different ways."

Dr. Dean recently told an audience in Iowa that he prayed daily. On the plane he declined to detail his prayer ritual but described how a 2002 trip to Israel deepened his understanding of the connections between Judaism and Christianity. He named Job as his favorite New Testament book, then later corrected himself, noting that it is in the Old Testament.

"I'm a New Englander, so I'm not used to wearing religion on my sleeve and being as open about it," he said. "I'm gradually getting more comfortable with talking about religion in ways that I did not talk about it before."

The changes come amid concern from several corners about the stridently secular tone of his campaign so far. In contrast to his Democratic opponents, who frequently discuss their faith in public, not to mention the born-again incumbent, President Bush, Dr. Dean said plainly in an interview a couple of months back: "I don't think that religion ought to be part of American policy."

A cover story in The New Republic last month, headlined "Howard Dean's religion problem," called him "one of the most secular candidates to run for president in modern history," and suggested this would "mark him as culturally alien to much of the country." A rash of columns followed with similar warnings, and voters have begun to inquire about the issue at town hall meetings.

"I'm pretty religious," he responded the other day in Waterloo, Iowa. "I pray every day, but I'm from New England, so I just keep it to myself.

"Don't you think Jerry Falwell reminds you a lot more of the Pharisees than he does of the teachings of Jesus?" he added. "And don't you think this campaign ought to be about evicting the money-changers from the temple?"

Dr. Dean grew up spending Sundays in an Episcopal church, and attended religious boarding school, but became a Congregationalist after the Episcopal church he belonged to in Burlington, Vt., refused to yield land for a bike path around Lake Champlain that he championed. His wife is Jewish and their children observe both traditions, though the family stopped attending services years ago after scolding sermons about once-a-year attendees.

The campaign has brought Dr. Dean back to the pews, clapping along with hymns in African-American churches from Harlem to San Francisco. At a Hanukkah party for his staff last month in Manchester, N.H., Dr. Dean proudly chanted the blessing over the candles in well-accented Hebrew and then repeated it for an Israeli television crew.

During the interview Friday night, Dr. Dean said he was moved during a tour of the Old City in Jerusalem when his guide pointed out half a house next to a stone wall that King Hezekiah had ordered built to defend against invaders. In a neighboring house, "you can sit on the third floor and you can pray, and you look out the window and you look down at the wall and the house and understand that 3,000 years ago people prayed the same prayers in the same language," Dr. Dean said. "Now that's an extraordinary thing that happens when you go to Israel."

Touring with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Dr. Dean also visited Galilee, where Jesus preached the Sermon on the Mount. "If you know much about the Bible — which I do — to see and be in a place where Christ was and understand the intimate history of what was going on 2,000 years ago is an exceptional experience," he said.

Asked his favorite New Testament book, Dr. Dean named Job, adding: "But I don't like the way it ends." "Some would argue, you know, in some of the books of the New Testament, the ending of the Book of Job is different," he said. "I think, if I'm not mistaken, there's one book where there's a more optimistic ending, which we believe was tacked on later."

Job, the Old Testament story of a righteous man who suffers hardships as a test of his faith, ends with the Lord restoring his fortunes and the protagonist living to be "an old man, and full of days." Some scholars have posited that the original ending may have been more dour.

An hour after his comments, Dr. Dean returned to the clutch of reporters, saying he realized he had misspoken because Job is not in the New Testament.

"Many people believe that the original version of Job is the version where there is not a change, Job ends up completely destitute and ruined," he said. "It's been a long time since I looked at this, but it's believed that was added much, much later. Many people believe that the original ending was about the power of God and the power of God was almighty and all knowing and it wasn't necessary that everybody was going to be redeemed."

Asked again about his favorite part of the New Testament, Dr. Dean said, "Anything in the Gospels."

His press secretary, Doug Thornell, telephoned late Friday night to say that Dr. Dean did not mean to imply he was some kind of expert.

"He obviously has read the Bible and knows the passages fairly well," Mr. Thornell said, "but just in terms of having a theologian's knowledge of the Bible, he doesn't want to pass on the impression that he does."


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: 2004; britain; christianlist; dean; deanschristianity; electionpresident; howarddean; talk
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To: nwrep
This man scares me more than Clinton ever did, because he's nuts!.....worse yet, the people who will vote for him are even scarier.
41 posted on 01/03/2004 6:53:07 PM PST by mystery-ak (Mike...we are entering the home stretch)
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To: Bonaparte
Me too. When some Berkeley lib starts telling me how great the guy is, I just agree.

A conservative friend of mine told me his boss was going to be throwing a fund-raiser in NYC for Howard Dean. He asked me for some good ammo to give against his boss's pro-Dean tirades. I told him, "No way. I hope your boss's fund-raiser is a huge success."

42 posted on 01/03/2004 6:53:25 PM PST by Texas_Dawg (Waging war against the American "worker".)
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Uhhhhhh......What about, "Thou shalt not lie"?
43 posted on 01/03/2004 6:54:22 PM PST by DoctorMichael (Thats my story, and I'm sticking to it.)
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To: small voice in the wilderness
"Asked his favorite New Testament book, Dr. Dean named Job, adding: "But I don't like the way it ends."

Howie may become a lot more familiar with JOB before this is over...and he wont like the way it ends...maybe Dean is for real, we aren't all religious scholars, I just hope after all his sufferings he realizes that he is not the king.

Thank God for GWs humbleness
44 posted on 01/03/2004 6:54:37 PM PST by mylife
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To: mystery-ak
This man scares me more than Clinton ever did

No way. Clinton was a political mastermind and therefore able to win and do serious damage to the U.S. Dean is awesome and the fact that he might actually win this Democratic nomination is a dream that I still refuse to believe might actually come true.

45 posted on 01/03/2004 6:55:20 PM PST by Texas_Dawg (Waging war against the American "worker".)
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To: 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; AJ Insider; AlligatorEyes; Amanda King; ..


SC Ping List

FReepmail me if you want on or off this list.

46 posted on 01/03/2004 6:57:43 PM PST by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: nwrep
"Invokes Muslim Phrases; Claims Biblical Knowledge"

The thread title almost looks like Dean is claiming biblical knowledge of muslims....
47 posted on 01/03/2004 6:59:10 PM PST by Geritol (Lord willing, there will be a later...)
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To: nwrep
"I'm still learning a lot about faith and the South and how important it is,"

Really?? And he wants people to believe he prays every day?
He's so full of bs.
48 posted on 01/03/2004 7:01:11 PM PST by nuconvert ("This wasn't just plain terrible, this was fancy terrible. This was terrible with raisins in it.")
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To: Timmy
If he doesn't like the way Job ends, he oughta try Revelation! Perhaps he can tack on a new ending. Maybe we should start looking for 666 in his hairline. Nah, he's too stupid to be the anti-christ.
49 posted on 01/03/2004 7:01:17 PM PST by small voice in the wilderness
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To: MeeknMing
Getting ready for his 'southern campaign', 'lefty' Dean who left a church over a bike path now decides to veer right....... into religion.........and makes some of his usual 'gaffs' which require 'further clarification'.

Deano is so transparent in his 'multiple personality changes'....he must have caught the syndrome from Al Gore, his mentor!
50 posted on 01/03/2004 7:01:49 PM PST by JulieRNR21 (One good term deserves another! Take W-04....Across America!)
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To: sgtbono2002
Democrat Party business as usual. At least Zell Miller's telling Dean where he can stick it, though.

-Regards, T.
51 posted on 01/03/2004 7:02:15 PM PST by T Lady (Who Let the 'RATS Out?!!)
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To: Big Steve; deport; blackie; nickcarraway; Salvation; Deb
What do you think of this?!
52 posted on 01/03/2004 7:04:43 PM PST by Lady In Blue (Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice-The A Team in '04)
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To: All
Can we get a temporary moratorium on all anti-HD comments and threads at FR? This guy is a conservative's dream-come-true.
53 posted on 01/03/2004 7:05:23 PM PST by Texas_Dawg (Go, Dean, Go.)
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To: JulieRNR21
"Deano is so transparent in his 'multiple personality changes'....he must have caught the syndrome from Al Gore, his mentor!"

...Who caught it from watching late-night reruns of the TV Movie, 'Sybill,' which starred Sally Field.

-Regards, T.
54 posted on 01/03/2004 7:06:35 PM PST by T Lady (Who Let the 'RATS Out?!!)
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To: Texas_Dawg
Everything you say is true, but am begining to think Dean is insane...Clinton is a lot of things..pathological liar, rapist, corrupt, schemer.....wait a minute, I take back my previous post......
55 posted on 01/03/2004 7:07:11 PM PST by mystery-ak (Mike...we are entering the home stretch)
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To: mystery-ak
but am begining to think Dean is insane

I am beginning to think he is a GOP plant.

56 posted on 01/03/2004 7:09:07 PM PST by Texas_Dawg (Go, Dean, Go.)
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To: T Lady
LOL......love it....BUMP
57 posted on 01/03/2004 7:09:18 PM PST by JulieRNR21 (One good term deserves another! Take W-04....Across America!)
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To: Timmy
"Some would argue, you know, in some of the books of the New Testament, the ending of the Book of Job is different,"

Sounds like he overheard a discussion about the Gospel of Mark. Where do you suppose he could have picked THAT up?

A little learning is a dangerous thing.

58 posted on 01/03/2004 7:10:29 PM PST by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: Happy2BMe; autoresponder; Registered
Dean-Saddam for 2004 !! haha !


ROFL !!

59 posted on 01/03/2004 7:11:19 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Howie Dean in the South !!: http://Richard.Meek.home.comcast.net/IowaRatsLastMealNewDeal.JPG)
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To: Happy2BMe

Dean to Saddam: Hang in there, buddy !
I've already put in a call to Johnny Cochran !

Howard Dean goes to bat for his man in Iraq !



60 posted on 01/03/2004 7:12:12 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Howie Dean in the South !!: http://Richard.Meek.home.comcast.net/IowaRatsLastMealNewDeal.JPG)
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