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To: dwd1
I don't know where you got the 1000 to 1 ratio of good to bad fathers

I was actually referring to bad stories vs good but lets make it more specific and stay with fathers. The number should be 80 to 20. (see post 19)

If you are asking what makes someone walk away from their family

I contend not that they walk away but that they aren't there at all from the start. The young male gets a girl knocked up and never claims responsibility for the child. He is no more than a sperm donor.

The funny thing about your position that government steps in and takes over is nothing I have ever seen. If a woman has to go to the government for assistance, there are laws that require attachment of wages, collection of funds from tax refunds, and I understand incarceration is also a possiblity....

Assuming she knows where the father is or even who he is. Loose morals and no marriages have destroyed traceability in many cases

By the way... When you say "both communities".... I have heard there are more than two... Please let me know which two you are referring to...

Inner city (real black culture) or suburbia ('white' black culture)

personal experience or anectdotal evidence

Anectdotal and published studies

Now to the original subject of the education system, you might also want to look at the problem that many young men from different racial groups feel that the only way to go to college is through athletics and that studying is for nerds and geeks and those who are not cool...

A true core issue. Studying and succeeding is too "white" and is looked down on in the black community. (posted and discussed here on FR many times)

I can tell you that going to school under the circumstances I did ... I was not going to give up...

Good for you! Another good story that was never told. Did you grow up in the inner city? Is your father married to your mother?

I understand that public assistance is not enough to keep a person housed...

Depends on the state. Of course with welfare reforem it may have changed but the "welfare queen" label didn't come about due to starving people.

What inner city have you had the most experience with?

Milwaukee with a lessor exposure to Chicago and Washington DC.

52 posted on 01/05/2004 1:04:46 PM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O
I am from Muleshoe, TX (pop est. 4524)... Parents divorced... I have worked since I was 7 with the family... Worked since I was 9 for others...

No argument on the moral choices issue but I think you will find that happens on Beverly as well as Crenshaw...

Not sure when all black people got defined by what happens in the big city... Of course, one could argue that Harlem used to be a nice place... East St. Louis could use some work... Most the people I grew up with in Muleshoe have left....

With paternity tests and a general intolerance for deadbeat dads, unless a young lady is having unprotected sex while blindfolded, I think this situation should not be occuring... I should ask my friend in the hall of records how many births were recorded with "Father Unknown" or "Immaculate Conception"...

Only been to DC once.... Chicago (from what I have heard) is a place where too many people get left behind because of technology and modernization... Biggest mistake anyone can make in any place is to stop learning....

Yes, I have had that "You act white!" argument many times...


Funny thing about poor people... They define themselves more on their condition than the color of their skin... In the farm community, there were people with choices, people without hope, people hungry for a change, people that understood the big picture and knew where they stood, and those blinded by the light buzzing around trying to keep warm...
55 posted on 01/05/2004 1:25:20 PM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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