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To: JenB
Most people are too rude, and it's wrong, but a blanket condemnation is not the right answer.

I don't know... I think a blanket condemnation of the lack of civility and common courtesy is exactly what is needed. That is not to say there won't be exceptions, but you discuss contingencies for those with the professor beforehand. If you're a working mother (or single father), you let the professor know that there may be times when emergencies arise with your children and you just can't make it, or may be late. You then try to establish a method of contacting the professor before class when and if those situations arise. During class, you set your phone on vibrate or mute so the ring doesn't disturb others, and do not take the call in class. If you see it is your child, you raise your hand, explain the situation to the professor, and ask for permission to leave the room to take the call.

Those situations are not the norm, however. All too often it's the unimportant call which interrupts the class. I happen to be an instructor who works for a company which markets wireless phone service. We are quite serious about cell phone etiquette. Phones are allowed in my classes, as they are part of the business, but they are on mute, and calls are taken in the hall. If a call is answered in the room, or more than a certain percentage of the class is missed due to phone conversations, being late, etc., the student is not passed and is required to take the course again, at full tuition. Since that comes out of the manager's budget, those phone habits are broken rather quickly. Now if we could just reach the rest of the world... :-)

I don't have any sympathy for your parking issue, though. Yes, the people parking in the wrong spots are rude, but you have to factor that in to your drive time. It's perfectly acceptable to plan to have to walk from the "wrong" parking spots, only to find that you get the "correct" spot and arrive a few minutes early. It isn't acceptable to not plan for that possibility and therefore be a few minutes late. If it's a 30 minute commute and you leave home 31 minutes before you need to be there, you're the responsible party. But then, I'm kind of peevish about those sorts of things. :-)

The only problem I see with this approach is that is usually relies on shame to produce the intended result, and since nothing is morally "wrong" any more, shame is nowhere to be found. Perhaps it can be brought back with civility?

Carry on, Professor, and more power to you!

16 posted on 01/05/2004 11:03:23 AM PST by Jokelahoma (Animal testing is a bad idea. They get all nervous and give wrong answers.)
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To: Jokelahoma
I don't have any sympathy for your parking issue, though. Yes, the people parking in the wrong spots are rude, but you have to factor that in to your drive time. It's perfectly acceptable to plan to have to walk from the "wrong" parking spots, only to find that you get the "correct" spot and arrive a few minutes early. It isn't acceptable to not plan for that possibility and therefore be a few minutes late. If it's a 30 minute commute and you leave home 31 minutes before you need to be there, you're the responsible party. But then, I'm kind of peevish about those sorts of things. :-)

Your response would be valid, if not for two things: my school schedules all the classes I need in the middle of the day. I have to leave work to go, and then come back and work. I then make the time up in the evenings. The extra ten minutes doesn't seem like much on one end, but when it's 9 pm and I have an essay to write for the next day, I want to get home.

I have literally spent thirty minutes circling the parking lot looking for a space because there is literally nowhere to park. It's a very small school, the commuter lot holds maybe 300 cars. And when commuters are not allowed to park anywhere except the commuter lot, that's frustrating... my problem is that I always leave work ten minutes before I really think I have to, because I don't like being late. But I spend twice that trying to park. They sell us parking tags at $30 a year, the least they could do is make sure we can park!

20 posted on 01/05/2004 11:08:22 AM PST by JenB (Looking for a few good minions)
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To: Jokelahoma
"Yes, the people parking in the wrong spots are rude, but you have to factor that in to your drive time."

Oh, how I wish that this had even been an option at my university! The parking situation was so grim that a 5 minute commute could usually be capped off by 40-60 minutes of SITTING AND WAITING in a parking lot for another student to leave campus and vacate a spot. Some days it could be a 10 minute wait, other days an hour. No rhyme or reason whatsoever, no schedule or cycle to it. It left students who worked full-time in a difficult position...either sneak out of work an hour or two early and hope for the best, or leave when your boss says you can, and accept that you'll be late to class. I know, it's the fault of the university...but then they try to cater their grad programs to working professionals who cannot deal with a 45 minute wait for a parking spot. Had I not been an undergrad there, I may have been suckered in to doing my grad work there...a 45 minute commute plus another half hour or more waiting for a spot? Not a chance!

I brought my cell phone with me to class, and kept it on vibrate. I *never* answered it in class, and found it incredibly rude that other students would have conversations during a lecture. If someone truly needed to get ahold of me, they'd text message and I'd ask the professor if I could leave. On the very rare occasion that this happened, the poor prof was usually so thrilled to have a courteous student that he didn't mind me leaving for a few minutes to return the call.

College students are incredibly rude when it comes to cell phone use, and respecting their instructors. It got worse over the 4 years I was in school...my freshman year, far fewer students had cell phones. By the time I was a senior, everyone had one and many were rude about using them in class.
31 posted on 01/05/2004 1:26:48 PM PST by Rubber_Duckie_27
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