That MoveOn Ad Morphing Bush into Hitler? Some Links...

various FR links | 01-05-04 | The Heavy Equipment Guy

[backhoe]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1052558/posts
Anti-Bush Ads Removed
SeaMax News ^ | 1/6/2004 | Fr. Michael Reilly

[blackdog]

Remember the "elect republicans and more black churches will burn" spot in 96?

I'm expecting a newer version geared to a different crowd. I expect "Each vote for Bush will bomb another Planned Parenthood"

[an amused spectator]

Hitler was socialist? ...So do you have any facts to back that claim?

Tell me you're joking.

[whatever2]

I'm not joking.

"After ousting the left wing of the party, represented by Gregor Strasser, Hitler, once in power, secured his position by the "Blood Purge" (June, 1934) of SA leader Ernst Roehm and others who might challenge him. Loyal Nazis were placed in positions of authority within the government and eventually came to control it. A corporative state was established in which labor lost all rights and was even regimented in its recreation by the "Strength through Joy" movement. Youth, schools, and the press came under repressive control. The books of "undesirable" authors were repeatedly burned."
http://reference.allrefer.com/encyclopedia/N/NatlSoci-nazi-rule.html

[backhoe]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1052593/posts
(MOVEON)US LIBERAL GROUP SORRY FOR HITLER/BUSH COMPARISON!
YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO via Reuters ^ | 1/6/04

[backhoe]

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38f5bb890984.htm
Nazis On The False Political Spectrum of the Left

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/723316/posts?page=90#90
transcribed from "The Hour of the Time"

[backhoe]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1052657/posts
Bush is Tojo?
http://www.defendingliberty.com/bushistojo.htm ^ | 1/6/04 | Christopher Pritchard

[whatever2]

Just because Joe Schmoe from FR writes his own political diagram doesn't make it true. I mean, he forgot socialism and he doesn't know that communism is the stage after socialism when the state as a being has ceased to exist. What he's talking about is totalitarism. And conservatism near Anarchy! What a joke! Conservatism means to conserve, while Anarchy is about the destruction of the state: No more constitution, no more organized religion, no more government, no more nation!

And he doesn't give a reason why he believes NS to be socialism.

[backhoe]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1052683/posts
MoveOn denounces GOP "smear"
MoveOn.org | 1/6/2003 | Eli Pariser


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1052684/posts
The Hitler Card
Hour Eleven ^ | 05 January 2004 | William Holzer

[backhoe]

The Nazis called themselves Socialists. Not good enough for you?

[whatever2]

"The Nazis called themselves Socialists. Not good enough for you?"

No. What I call myself doesn't mean anything. What I do is what counts.

This is what I posted before:
Of course what was produced most were weapons, so you could say that it was the government who funded a great part of the industry - but you could also say that in a lesser part about every country, e.g. the US.

From http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761560927_2/National_Socialism.html :
"Hitler had to choose between a “plebeian” National Socialist regime and an alliance with the industrialists of the country and the general staff of the Reichswehr. He chose the latter course."

"You may have some other definition derived from public skools but you were misled."

Socialism means that the owner of the means of production is the state.

[backhoe]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1052628/posts
Republican Jewish Coalition Condemns MoveOn.org Ads
Republican Jewish Coalition ^ | January 6, 2004 | Matthew Brooks

[backhoe]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1052604/posts
RESIST MOVEON.ORG
moveon.org | 1/6/04 | Binstence

[lawdude]

"Hitler was socialist? "

Many people mistakenly believe that since Hitler was fighting socialism (communism) in Russia that he was automatically NOT a socialist. Wrong, it was socialist vs. socialist. He wanted HIS brand to win over the Russian brand.

That is what has always tickled me when I hear people automatically take Nazi views to be the same as CONSERVATIVE since they are also anti communism.

[whatever2]

Does anyone here read what I write?

This is what I posted before:
Of course what was produced most were weapons, so you could say that it was the government who funded a great part of the industry - but you could also say that in a lesser part about every country, e.g. the US.

From http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761560927_2/National_Socialism.html :
"Hitler had to choose between a “plebeian” National Socialist regime and an alliance with the industrialists of the country and the general staff of the Reichswehr. He chose the latter course."

"You may have some other definition derived from public skools but you were misled."

Socialism means that the owner of the means of production is the state. Which was not the case in Germany.

[TheKost]

"Hitler being categorized a right winger - now we're moving to the "National" in National Socialism. The National wasn't a lie at all. The Nazis stand for Nationalism as no other. The "race" was everything, woman were supposed to stay home and give birth to children, crimes were severely punished. And above all stood the Nation: The most important thing there was the Nation ("Deutschland, Deutschland über alles" ["Germany, Germany above everything"] was the first line of the German anthem until 1945)."

"These aren't leftist ideas. They belong to the far right. There are elements you find resembled in conservative ideas, however, nationalism is far more extreme ("further to the right") and there are ideas that have nothing to do with being conservative - the real religion of many Nazis was paganism, their gods were the old germanic Thor et al. "

Nationalism is also seen in both Russia and China. It has been applied much the same way it was in Nazi Germany in both those places. China during the Cultural Revolution tried to break apart the family unit as a duty to the state. They were told your duty was to the state not your family so if you Parent didn't conform turn them in. There is little difference from the Nationalism practiced by the Nazi's then the Nationalism practiced by Mao Tse Tung in the Cultural Revolution.

[Prodigal Son]

And he doesn't give a reason why he believes NS to be socialism.

The Nazis were socialists. They have the same lineage as the other types of socialists. They realized though that international socialism would not work and developed a sect of socialism centered on the national scale- hence: National Socialism or Nazi for short. The Nazis were lefties.

[Prodigal Son]

These aren't leftist ideas. They belong to the far right.

The inevitable conclusion to be drawn from this then is if the far left is communism and the far right is national socialism then there is only socialism all across the board (if the fringes are merely extreme forms of the mean socialism). Doesn't make sense. The National Socialists were one particular sect of socialism. Still leftist.

Do not equate nationalism with patriotism. Common mistake of leftists.

Liberalism = slavery.

[whatever2]

So, a bit of cut&paste for you too :)

This is what I posted before:
Of course what was produced most were weapons, so you could say that it was the government who funded a great part of the industry - but you could also say that in a lesser part about every country, e.g. the US.

From http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761560927_2/National_Socialism.html :
"Hitler had to choose between a “plebeian” National Socialist regime and an alliance with the industrialists of the country and the general staff of the Reichswehr. He chose the latter course."

"You may have some other definition derived from public skools but you were misled."

Socialism means that the owner of the means of production is the state. Which was not the case in Germany.

[whatever2]

You're right. So we got Nationalism on both sides of the political spectrum...