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FBI Arab translators cheered Sept. 11
WND ^ | 1/7/04 | Paul Sperry

Posted on 01/07/2004 4:43:49 AM PST by Diogenesis

Arab translators cheered Sept. 11 [.... while the FBI kept the FBI free of Jews]

By Paul Sperry
WASHINGTON – In a shocking revelation, an FBI whistleblower claims some
Arab-Americans translating Arabic intercepts for the FBI spoke approvingly
of the terrorist attacks on America more than two years ago.


Former FBI translator Sibel D. Edmonds says translators of Middle Eastern
origin working for the FBI's Washington field office maintain an
"us"-versus-"them" attitude that's so strong it may be compromising al-Qaida
investigations.


She cited examples of mistranslations and security breaches within the FBI's
language division, where translators with Top Secret clearance interpret
sensitive terror-related information for agents.


"The issues and problems within the FBI's translation units range from
security failures to questions of loyalty to competence of translation personnel
to systemic problems within their low-to-mid-level management practices,"
Edmonds said.


She made the explosive charges Monday in a letter to the National
Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, an independent
panel investigating the 9-11 attacks and U.S. intelligence leading up to them.
WorldNetDaily has obtained a copy of the 9-page letter.


Edmonds, a translator who worked closely with FBI counterterrorism and
counterintelligence agents at an office within blocks of the Washington field
office, said she overheard some translators express sympathy for the 9-11
terrorist attacks.


"During my work with the bureau, I was seriously taken aback by what I
heard and witnessed within the translation department," she said. "There
were those who openly divided the fronts as 'Us' – the Middle-Easterners who
shared certain views – and 'Them' – the Americans who were the outsiders
[whose] arrogance was now 'leading to their own destruction.'"


Not long after the attacks, Edmonds said one translator said: "It is about time
that they get a taste of what they have been giving to the rest of the Middle
East."


She says the remark was made in front of the unit supervisor, also of Middle
Eastern origin.


"These comments were neither rare nor made in a whisper," Edmonds said.
"They were open and loud."


She says such attitudes call into question "the integrity and accuracy" of
information Arabic translators are feeding agents.


Edmonds says agents who don't speak Arabic have no way of knowing
whether the information they receive from translators is tainted.


"They simply have to trust the information given to them by translators," she
said, "and based on that, decide to act or not act."


Decisions to release terrorist suspects taken into custody are also based on
translations of interviews with those suspects, she argues.


Remarkably, agents don't even have direct security access to the translation
unit, Edmonds says. They have to be escorted into the area by translators.


She says she caught a Turkish translator intentionally blocking intelligence
from being translated by labeling it as "not pertinent." The translator also
intentionally mistranslated documents and other information, she says. And
she alleges the same linguist, Melek Can Dickerson, was granted security
clearance by the FBI despite ties to targets of FBI investigations.


After she brought the alleged breaches to the attention of her supervisors,
Edmonds was fired by the FBI. Her termination letter does not state a reason.


Edmonds filed a lawsuit, but Attorney General John Ashcroft and FBI
Director Robert Mueller got a federal judge to block it by asserting the
extremely rare claim of "State Secret Privilege."


And her lawyers say Justice's inspector general is slow-walking an internal
review of her case, even though the office has criticized the FBI for security
lapses in recent reports, some related to the language program. In fact, a Nov.
15, 2002, IG report states: "A language specialist was dismissed for
unauthorized contacts with foreign officials and intelligence officers, receipts
of things of value from them and lack of candor in his convoluted and
contradictory responses to questions about his contacts."


Most of Edmonds' charges have been confirmed by Sen. Charles Grassley,
R-Iowa, and other members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, who have
quizzed the FBI about her case. Edmonds sent a copy of her 9-page letter to
Grassley, one of the FBI's biggest critics on the Hill.


The FBI blamed the security lapses on a chronic shortage of Arabic translators,
which has forced it to hire mostly immigrants from the Middle East, which
makes background checks more difficult.


The Washington field office did not return repeated phone calls seeking
comment.


But the chief of the FBI's language section, Margaret Gullota, has insisted in
congressional testimony that the FBI hasn't loosened its standards in recruiting
Arabic-speaking translators since 9-11.


Edmonds isn't the only one complaining, though.


John Cole, program manager for the FBI foreign intelligence investigations
covering India, Pakistan and Afghanistan, told Congress about what he
believed to be a security lapse regarding the screening and hiring of
translators.


And Donald Lavey, who worked in counterterrorism for 20 years at the FBI,
recalled loyalty issues with a former Arab translator in the FBI's Detroit office.
He said wiretap translations by Mideast-born agents should have a "second
opinion," because their backgrounds may "prejudice" their interpretation and
analysis.


Both he and Edmonds note that translators often exclude large sections of
Arabic dialogue as irrelevant to the investigation, when in fact, they may be
relevant.


"There are thousands of translated documents/information and documents
that were labeled as 'not pertinent to be translated' by certain translators
before and after Sept. 11, that need to, and have to, be retranslated and
re-examined," Edmonds wrote in her letter.


Also, she says some Arab-American translators, including a supervisor,
threatened to sue the FBI for discrimination after complaints were filed
against them.


"In one case, a certain individual ended up getting a supervisory position,
even though initially he was refused due to his questionable past,
incompetence and fraudulent invoices" for expenses, Edmonds said. She
declined to reveal his name.


Edmonds says she is working with some families of 9-11 victims to lobby the
9-11 Commission to investigate the Arabic translation department at the FBI.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911; 911commission; arabamericans; arabictranslators; enemywithin; fbi; fbitranslators; sibeldedmonds; sibeledmonds; translators; whistleblower
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Given that the FBI excludes all Jewish Americans from Arabic translations since the 911 Atrocities,
hopefully, these terrorists planning murder within the American homeland
will honestly and fully share their "records"
with their own English "translations" of their Arabic and coded Arabic.

. FBI: Jews need not apply for Arabic linguist jobs - Thread 1

FBI: Jews need not apply for Arabic linguist jobs - Thread 2

1 posted on 01/07/2004 4:43:50 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis
I do NOT want to believe this story.
2 posted on 01/07/2004 4:49:02 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Diogenesis
Methinks that there is more to unwillingness of the Arabic FBI translators to accept Arabic-speaking Jews as their colleagues than the old-fashioned Jew-hatred...
3 posted on 01/07/2004 4:50:32 AM PST by eclectic
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To: <1/1,000,000th%; 11B3; 2111USMC; 2Jedismom; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; A Ruckus of Dogs; AdA$tra; ...
Important BUMP for massive US Security problem.

Accountability at the FBI?
Cheering Arabs at the 911 Atrocities -- no problema
Stolen FBI files used by the DNC -- no problema
Hate crimes against Christians and Jews -- no problema
Arab terrorists controlling FBI translation services -- no problema

4 posted on 01/07/2004 4:52:55 AM PST by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: Peach
It's hard to fathom the idiot who would let his emotions show in this instance. I wonder long long it will be before someone blames Robert Mueller for allowing these people to be employed by the FBI?
5 posted on 01/07/2004 4:55:33 AM PST by Quilla
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To: Peach
Neither do I. And I would bet that even if true the impact is small.

From what I know the DOD maintains the world's top language school in Monterey California, the Defense Language Institute. I understand they have the capability to immerse an individual in a language for six months and have them speaking without accent.

If that's the case, backup translations should easily be vlaidated via recordings.
6 posted on 01/07/2004 4:56:05 AM PST by Hostage
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To: eclectic
Where is the demand for the firing of these FBI employees for laughing at the murder of Americans by their friends and allies?
Why are they still working at the FBI instead of rotting in Cuba?


7 posted on 01/07/2004 4:56:18 AM PST by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: GummyIII
Shocking and unbelievable bump
8 posted on 01/07/2004 4:56:33 AM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: Peach
I do NOT want to believe this story.

You and me both..

9 posted on 01/07/2004 4:58:31 AM PST by cardinal4 (Hillary and Clark rhymes with Ft Marcy park...)
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To: Quilla
I have always wondered....if an Islamic American had 2 phones & they both rang. One from our President asking them to go to war, and another from a (I HATE this word) Cleric asking them to Jihad, which call would they answer???

If this story is any indication, the answer is plain as day.

10 posted on 01/07/2004 5:00:36 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Hostage
I understand they have the capability to immerse an individual in a language for six months and have them speaking without accent.

BULL! You can't take an adult, immerse him in a language, and then have him speaking it without an accent in six months. In fact he/she will always have some accent.

11 posted on 01/07/2004 5:00:44 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: Diogenesis
Given that the FBI excludes all Jewish Americans from Arabic translations......

Selective political correctness may be the death of us.

12 posted on 01/07/2004 5:01:05 AM PST by umgud (speaking strictly as an infidel,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)
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To: Diogenesis
I had a sneaking suspicion you'd be posting 9-11 pictures to this thread. I've never seen that top one before - shudder. Thanks for posting them as so many seem to have forgotten the attacks on our country. God bless America.
13 posted on 01/07/2004 5:01:45 AM PST by Quilla
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To: Diogenesis
Incredible!

Arabic is a tough language to learn, but that's no reson to have to rely on the likes of these traitors.

14 posted on 01/07/2004 5:05:01 AM PST by dagnabbit (Suport Amnesty 2007 ! For illegals arriving after Bush's 04 amnesty. It's never too early to care.)
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To: Diogenesis
Un-bloody-believable.
15 posted on 01/07/2004 5:05:02 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: RightOnline
With the billions we spend, you would think we could get some of our own taught in Arabic.
16 posted on 01/07/2004 5:09:35 AM PST by chris1
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To: Peach; Hostage
As a translator (not of Arabic) who has had contact with Arabic translators at various translation related events, I can assure you that it is true. It is also rather well-known in the translation world that this is a problem (and not only with Arabic translators - many foreign born translators are extremely anti-American, even though they live and work here).

Even Alfonso X, the 13th century Spanish king under whom the famous Escuela de Traductores flourished and translated works from Arabic, Hebrew and other languages into Latin, knew that translators could not be trusted. He had them work in teams of 3, 2 of them being native speakers who could be expected to check each other, and one of them being a native Spaniard who knew enough of the language to know whether the translation was reasonably accurate.

Relistically speaking, it is not possible to bring somebody to near-native fluency in six months, to the point where they could accurately translate highly idiomatic and often regional Arabic documents and transcriptions. However, it would be possible to teach American linguists enough in six months to a year so that they would at least have an idea of whether or not a translation was accurate or whether it should be extensively reviewed. They might also be able to scan documents for "pertinence" without relying solely on the judgment of the Arabic translators.

17 posted on 01/07/2004 5:09:49 AM PST by livius
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To: Diogenesis
Remember those 3 Muslim students who were detained on Alligator Alley because a woman overheard them joking around about causing another 9-11? They claimed they said no such thing and that idiot Larry King believed them when they appeared on his show. I guarantee you that woman who turned them in was NOT LYING. I am absolutely convinced they were joking around about 9-11. A lot of those types have real chips on their shoulders.
18 posted on 01/07/2004 5:09:52 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: Diogenesis
Discussing this on Fox,showed a 9/11 shot."Translator traitors" is the the caption.
19 posted on 01/07/2004 5:13:19 AM PST by MEG33 (We Got Him!)
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To: Diogenesis
After she brought the alleged breaches to the attention of her supervisors, Edmonds was fired by the FBI.

Uh-oh.

20 posted on 01/07/2004 5:13:52 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: livius
If they cheered the 911 Atrocities, then let them translate from a hermetically-sealed cage in Cuba
with food for each complete and accurate translation.
21 posted on 01/07/2004 5:14:49 AM PST by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: Diogenesis
Another story for the major media to spike, and for "Homeland Security" to ignore.
22 posted on 01/07/2004 5:15:26 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: PJ-Comix
I studied French for four years and then went to France for a year of study abroad. Before the classes began, all foreigners were requuired to register for summer language training. It was a way of minimizing the amount of "broken French" spoken by foreign students. Broken French was particularly offensive to University Faculty and Staff.

The process of "relearning" how to speak French was painful in that every word needed repeating until it was spoken to the satisfaction of the instructor. We were not allowed to advance until even basic words were pronounced correctly. The classes were three hours with variable hours of language lab after, usually two to three hours.

At the end of three months we the foreign students were speaking much better and many were told their accents were undetectable.

I can imagine what the DOD would do to someone 24/7 for six months. It is not unreasonable at all to expect they could churn out a language speaker with no detectable accent over a variety of phrases and responses, including cultural gestures such as using one's hands in a provincial manner.

Anyways the point was that the DOD has backup in languages, all languages for translation and the subject article is probably irrelevant insofar as national security. Let's hope so.
23 posted on 01/07/2004 5:15:42 AM PST by Hostage
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To: Diogenesis
How about getting Christian Arabs as translators -- there are plenty of them. I nominate Yasmeen Bleeth and Salma Hayek. If they do get in, then I guarantee there'll be a large chunk of red-blooded American lads who'll know Arabic in no time at all!
24 posted on 01/07/2004 5:16:53 AM PST by Cronos (W2004!)
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To: Peach
I happen to know Mrs. Edmonds and her husband-he has served the DOD in many capacities for a long time-she is sincere in her concerns.
25 posted on 01/07/2004 5:17:00 AM PST by mo
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To: Diogenesis
This story is just about exactly what most of us would have guessed to be the case.
26 posted on 01/07/2004 5:17:43 AM PST by yarddog
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To: mo
I had so wished this was not true...
27 posted on 01/07/2004 5:18:05 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Hostage
"At the end of three months we the foreign students were speaking much better and many were told their accents were undetectable. "

Do you really think accent is enough?
Autant des hommes. Autant d'avis.

And why would one trust any of these instructors after this notice?

28 posted on 01/07/2004 5:18:57 AM PST by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: Diogenesis
Fifth column bump
29 posted on 01/07/2004 5:19:39 AM PST by RippleFire
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To: Diogenesis
Edmonds says agents who don't speak Arabic have no way of knowing whether the information they receive from translators is tainted.

No kidding?!  </sarcasm>
The muhammaden cheerleaders pulling a fast one as alleged here certainly would not be surprising.  Did this article state what language Edmonds translated for the FBI?  That omission seems odd to me.  The following statement would make her firing all the more nonsensical:


The FBI blamed the security lapses on a chronic shortage of Arabic translators, which has forced it to hire mostly immigrants from the Middle East, which makes background checks more difficult.
30 posted on 01/07/2004 5:21:48 AM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: RippleFire
Sad bump.
31 posted on 01/07/2004 5:22:23 AM PST by MEG33 (We Got Him!)
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To: Diogenesis
Given that the FBI excludes all Jewish Americans from Arabic translations...

I think they exclude all Jews.

The ones from Israel are more likely to be fluent in Arabic and English, but we wouldn't want to employ them, would we?

ML/NJ

32 posted on 01/07/2004 5:23:14 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Peach
"I do NOT want to believe this story."

You ignore it to the peril of our republic.
33 posted on 01/07/2004 5:24:41 AM PST by ought-six
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To: Diogenesis
She cited examples of mistranslations and security breaches within the FBI's language division, where translators with Top Secret clearance interpret sensitive terror-related information for agents.

As long as their extended background clearances indicated no drug use, wild frat/sorority parties, or late Macy's payments - I don't see the problem here.(/sarcasm)

I held a very high clearance several years ago - and the absolute morons in charge of giving out clearances were more interested in the above than anything truly threatening to the US. These idiots better get a clue about newer generations - or we'll all be living underground waiting for radiation half-lives to expire.

34 posted on 01/07/2004 5:25:02 AM PST by ctonious
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To: Diogenesis
Accent is not really the issue. Translation is. We got off on translation because I drew attention to the Defense Language Institute.

I think DOD has got the covered. Why they hired translators fromt he Middle East I do not know unless it was to recognize voices or cultural things not understood by a trained translator.

I would also wager there are plenty of Arab-Americans as well as Iranians in the USA who are itching to revenge themselves on the criminals back in their homelands, who would verify the translations.

The story is not unlike alot of stories in the immediate aftermath of 911. We saw and heard many accounts of foreigners and foreign students that commented that America was "getting a taste of their own medicine". I also saw this televised among our own kids in public schools, usually kids of color who had been taught to think of America as a country founded by old dead white Christian males. I attribute all of this to the rein of the Clintons and their cultural influence on America.
35 posted on 01/07/2004 5:28:10 AM PST by Hostage
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To: Peach
Me either. This is simply unreal, if true. It is long since time to purge the FBI, CIA, and Pentagon of all Clinton hire-es. Does anyone know when these translators were hired?
36 posted on 01/07/2004 5:28:12 AM PST by rintense
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To: Diogenesis
Hey Dio, this really isn't breaking but by the sound of some replies it's probably good that you brought it to the newbies attention. Why do I have this feeling in my gut that somewhere in the upper management level of the FBI someone wants to see the destruction of America. This isn't the first time either. It's almost if someone is deliberately undermining any effort to stop terrorism.
37 posted on 01/07/2004 5:28:13 AM PST by eastforker (The color of justice is green,just ask Johny Cochran!)
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To: Diogenesis
"Former FBI translator Sibel D. Edmonds says translators of Middle Eastern origin working for the FBI's Washington field office maintain an "us"-versus-"them" attitude that's so strong it may be compromising al-Qaida investigations."

This comes as no surprise to me. Muslims try to portray themselves as peaceful. The reality is that if they aren't comitting acts of terror they're cheering on those that do!

38 posted on 01/07/2004 5:29:54 AM PST by The Scorpion King
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To: Hostage
Good point, but there are no excuses.
ctonious, ought-six, and others appear closer to the correct issue.
39 posted on 01/07/2004 5:31:19 AM PST by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: Diogenesis
Governmental incompetence for no other reason than to appear politically correct.

And I thought we elected conservatives the last time around.

Just goes to prove that THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT YOUR FRIEND. Candidates may spout conservative principles during campaign season, but the only principle they practice once in office is the never-ending expansion of the State.

Am I angry? You bet your a$$ - and I'm only getting angrier.

40 posted on 01/07/2004 5:33:02 AM PST by FierceDraka (Service and Glory!)
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To: Diogenesis
You're right there are no excuses. I am talking after all about DOD's capability and the article is talking about FBI.

Before 911, FBI and DOD acted as if they agencies in two different worlds. Hopefully the DHS has resolved these imbalances in capabilities. Historically it stands to reason that FBI would have less capability that DOD in languages. Afterall, FBI was primarily a domestic agency.
41 posted on 01/07/2004 5:36:02 AM PST by Hostage
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To: PJ-Comix
BULL! You can't take an adult, immerse him in a language, and then have him speaking it without an accent in six months.

Actually you can, if you take an intelligent person with linguistic aptitude and give him intensive and rigorous training. The Army does this all the time in a specialized base/school in Monterey CA.

I was offered this program, but like a dumbass I chose to go infantry.

42 posted on 01/07/2004 5:36:13 AM PST by AAABEST
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I hope some agency has approriated funds to develop a decent computer program that can do these translations. NEVER trust a Muslim. All those who cheered the attacks should be removed from their jobs or relocated to whatever stinking hellhole they came from.
43 posted on 01/07/2004 5:41:14 AM PST by BadAndy
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To: spodefly
"...and for "Homeland Security" to ignore."

I think you mis-understand government operations. Do you really think the Homeland Security people would take this story and come out saying they were going to do this, that, the other and here is the time frame..., etc.

Hell, they are more secretive than the Chicago Bears are with their playbook. They eally don't telegraph their plays, and I, for one, am rather glad.
44 posted on 01/07/2004 5:41:17 AM PST by lawdude (Liberalism: A failure every time it is tried!)
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To: Peach
Former FBI translator Sibel D. Edmonds says translators of Middle Eastern origin working for the FBI's Washington field office maintain an "us"-versus-"them" attitude that's so strong it may be compromising al-Qaida investigations.

I expect the usual parade of incompetents and the ignorant and the 2+2 = 7 crowd to start a new refrain: Hate speech! Where's the proof?
The lethal inevitable result of the triumph of PC over common sense.

And a continuing total paralyzing state of collective cultural cognitive dissonance, the determined refusal to see what has been obvious for 1400 years: Islam is not a religion in the sense that westerners grasp it. It is an inseperable and fanatical militant invader, using all means including murder, but emphasizing our concept of religion as the means to achieve their ends.

Islam is an permanent meld of the religious and the secular, and there is no limit as to the means it uses to achieve its objective.
We can continue calling gunpowder "charcoal", if we insist, but it will not prevent it from blowing up in our faces. The question remains, how many times must it blow up before the message comes through?

45 posted on 01/07/2004 5:41:29 AM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: ought-six
After she brought the alleged breaches to the attention of her supervisors,
Edmonds was fired by the FBI. Her termination letter does not state a reason.

Edmonds filed a lawsuit, but Attorney General John Ashcroft and FBI
Director Robert Mueller got a federal judge to block it by asserting the
extremely rare claim of "State Secret Privilege."

____________________________
I've always suspected they had infiltrated the FBI. This is most disturbing, especially that Edmonds was fired for reporting it. That tells me they are in HIGH positions as well, not just translators.

46 posted on 01/07/2004 5:41:45 AM PST by Muzzle_em
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To: Hostage
I began learning Spanish when I was 8 years old in Puerto Rico. As a result my accent is better than 95% of the other "gringos." However, when I try to pronounce French it is horrible. As a result, I am convinced that foreign languages should be taught in grade school rather than starting in high school like it currently is. Because we lived in Puerto Rico, Spanish was mandatory for all grades even though I went to an English speaking school (Commonwealth School). Within an amazingly short period of time I had the accent down pretty good. The only pronunciation I had trouble with was the distinctive double r. That took me about 4 or 5 months to be able to correctly pronounce. I actually remember the time I was finally able to duplicate it. It was on a trip on the island and my dad was driving and suddenly I was able to roll my tongue correctly. Once I accomplished it, I spent most of the rest of the trip rolling the double r's on my tongue much to the amusement of the Puerto Rican women in the car.

The biggest problem for gringos is that double r pronunciation (also single r since it is also requires a slight tongue roll). Therefore I am convinced that languages should be learned while young.

47 posted on 01/07/2004 5:41:58 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: Diogenesis
Disgusting and frightening.

Also, she says some Arab-American translators, including a supervisor, threatened to sue the FBI for discrimination after complaints were filed against them.

The age of political correctness is going to be the death of us all. /a little melodramatic

48 posted on 01/07/2004 5:43:31 AM PST by MrConfettiMan ("Use an open-faced club. A sand wedge." "Mmmmm ... open faced club sandwich.")
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To: Peach
I do NOT want to believe this story.

Nor do I. But we dismiss it at our peril. If this thread does not persist for several thousand posts, I will abandon all hope of national sanity.

49 posted on 01/07/2004 5:43:39 AM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Diogenesis
Does not surprise me in today's workplace (infiltration).

Houston had a worker who was on the city payroll who was caught sending an email cheering the WTC attack (he was Pakistani).

50 posted on 01/07/2004 5:44:10 AM PST by weegee
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