Why the Cherokee Nation Allied Themselves With the Confederate States of America in 1861

Lew Rockwell.com ^ | January 7, 2004 | Leonard M. Scruggs

[stand watie]

in 1924 the US government FINALLY said that my people were HUMANS!

1924!!!!

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[stand watie]

sorry, i don't know.

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[stand watie]

the mini-holocaust of MY family should also bring more than "goosebumps" to any gunowner who even considers registering his/her guns.

my family was UN-armed & thus VICTIMS!

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[Happy2BMe]

"in 1924 the US government FINALLY said that my people were HUMANS!"

You could have waited another thousand years and it still wouldn't be worth a grain of sand.

Indians have a certain perception of humans.

And that is that not all two-legged creatures are human - some are animals.

[stand watie]

near Andrews, NC.

a really BLOODY day in our tribe's history.

the YOUNGEST victim i KNOW for sure of (there are reports from neighbors that some TODDLERS <2YO were also killed in a similar fashion?????) was Mary "Littlebird" Parker, age 8. she was RAPED unto death by the "filth in blue uniforms" (NOTE: a friend of mine who is an OB/GYN @UT,Galveston tells me that she estimates that it took about 8-10 HOURS for "Littlebird" to die from internal hemorrhage! one can only barely imagine the horror that she must have suffered.) and then her body was thrown down a well.

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[stand watie]

FYI, scalping was started by the Jesuits!

it was NOT a natural portion of AI culture.

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[stand watie]

my point was, until 1924, until we were determined to be HUMAN, that the courts were powerless to stop the rape,robbery,torture & murder of American Indians!

we were considered VERMIN!

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[lentulusgracchus]

$150 would not have purchased any slave, let alone an adult man with skills, on the open market at that time, so it seems likely that was a hire agreement.

LOL -- trust a sharp pencil to spot that one!

[lentulusgracchus]

near Andrews, NC.

Was that anywhere near "Mayland", the were-republic that supposedly seceded from the Carolina government?

Wonder why the Union men were so tough on the Cherokee? Because the Oklahoma Cherokee had sided with the Confederates? And I wouldn't know whether the eastern Cherokee had any particularly strong allegiance to the CSA, either, or were Unionists like so many of the Appalachian Scots-Irish who hearkened back to Andy Jackson.

[Tax-chick]

Thanks for the compliment - numbers do jump out at me! In this case, roughly the same number as the annual fee Jackson was receiving for the slave he hired out to VMI.

I think that whole situation is a marvelous illustration of Jackson's Christian virtue: The man asked Jackson to purchase him, and offered to work off the cost. Jackson likely lost money, as adult male slaves were priced $1,500 and up at the time. If Jackson had simply freed the man, he would have been refusing the black man the dignity of making a deal man-to-man, denying their fundamental human equality. I admire him for following the course Robertson describes.

[Tax-chick]

whether the eastern Cherokee had any particularly strong allegiance to the CSA,

See my post #25, or thereabouts ... what I've read recently indicates that the Eastern Cherokees were largely indifferent to the Confederate/Union question.

[Dionysius]

Chief Dan George in the incomparable "Outlaw Josey Wales":
(paraphrased) "They took our picture and put it in the paper. 'Indians vow to attempt to persevere', they titled it. We thought about it, and, when we thought about it enough, we went home and declared war on the Union"......
"I never surrendered, but they took my horse and made him surrender." His performance spoke most eloquently of the betrayal of the Cherokee Nation.

[thatdewd]

BTTT

[thatdewd]

"...but they took my horse and made him surrender."

LOL, I had forgotten that. Absolutely classic.

[Non-Sequitur]

His performance spoke most eloquently of the betrayal of the Cherokee Nation.

His words were the creation of some Hollywood script writer. Or didn't you know that?

[Non-Sequitur]

Jim Lewis was not a slave but was a free man, hired by Jackson as his servant and employed by him until Jackson's death. Any wages paid most likely went to Lewis himself.

[Non-Sequitur]

In her book "Memoirs of 'Stonewall' Jackson', Mary Anna Jackson describes her husband as a 'very strict but kind master' to the slaves he owned, and he owned as many as 8 at one time. But what would she know?

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

Frankly, I don't think the tribes would be united, or even thoughtful, enough to have a reasoned political position such as you describe. I think that they took part against the federals through warrior passion, or from a sense of feeling invaded, than through a rational philosophy.

The Cherokees were called "the civilized Indian nation", probably the only Indian nation with a written language. Even in those days many, certainly the leaders, had at least a grade school education and could speak and write very good English. So yes they were very capable of a very coherent political viewpoint or philosophy.

[carton253]

No one knows that for certain...

[carton253]

Read Robertson's book on Jackson...Anna Morrison's book on her husband...Read "We Knew Stonewall..." Look it up on the web.

If you want to dig your heels in and say that Jackson didn't own slaves, be my guest. I have studied enough about Jackson, and every source I've read says that he owned slaves.