Eighteen Illegal Alien solutions that are better than any Amnesty

January 7th, 2003 | Sabertooth

[hedgetrimmer]

Let's pick one and start a campaign to get it implemented. Then we can go to work on others, after we have established a process that works.

[Pa' fuera]

With the program they can always reup for another three years but still I agree with you. If they sign up they will have to pay taxes so it will be a net loss in income. They have little fear of deportation now so why sign up to be tracked, taxed and fill out paperwork?

I think they will sign up, because they have it so ingrained in their minds that they want amnesty and legality, and that's what their Latino and Mexican leaders tell them they want, but the curious thing is that it might not be in their best interest.

[Klickitat]

bttt

[TigersEye]

I don't think it would be in their best interests to register for this program. They would then be tracked and they will have to pay taxes and endure all the fees, lisences and bureaucratic hassles legitimacy brings with it.

If they maintain their current underground status they can work tax free and continue to obtain free healthcare and welfare as it is illegal to ask them if they are illegal. If they get caught the nice social worker will say "Here are the forms let me help you fill them out." "Oh, by the way, let's get you registered as a Democrat voter and get you a free driver's lisence."

[Blue Scourge]

indeed, send them forth....but I have already written my 2 Senators and congressman, but I'm not holding my breath. I pretty much have come to the conclusion that "our" govt. isn't listening on this (and many others) issue.

[lainde]

bttt

[JustPiper]

Sabertooth for President!!!

[Kay Soze]

Sabertooth for President!!!

Ditto!

Although he sounds a little to right wing for the GOP!

[Pa' fuera]

I'm still not certain what Bush wins but all those crazy conspiracy theories are becoming more plausible every day.

compromising photos??

[Pa' fuera]

Fox should be called a dictator, not a Presidente!

he has more clout here in the U.S. He's a lame duck in Mexico.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

lol, I think Neil Bush has some compromising photos taken in SE Asia!

[imintrouble]

"He's a lame duck" - Bueno - but the next Presidente may be the same or worse. They are all cut from the same cloth.

Politics in Mexico is a corrupt game and they make slaves of the people. They barter them with the U.S. politicos for votes and slave labor.

[Happy2BMe]

BTT

[4Freedom]

"Thoughtless people on both sides of the debate jawbone about silly ideas like building a wall at the Mexican border..."

Unnecessarily inflamatory rhetoric that could have easily been taken as bait, by a smaller person than me, as an invitation to a flame war. ;^)

To paraphrase Sabertooth, anyone that believes that walls along our borders are a good idea is "thoughtless", "silly" and merely jaw-boning.

This from the person calling for the Moderators to enforce civility on these immigration threads???

In these modern times, we now have 4 examples of walls along the borders between 2 separate countries that perform the function of reducing the problem of MASSIVE!, OUT-OF-CONTROL, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and the movement of STOLEN MERCHANDISE, DRUGS, HITMEN, GANG-BANGERS, MEMBERS OF ORGANIZED CRIME, ALL KINDS OF SMUGGLERS, ETC..

These are the barriers, mine fields and troops along the Korean border, the wall along the Indian and Pakistan border, the wall along the Israel and Palistine border and recently the wall between East and West Germany.

The one thing all of these walls share in common is they all work now or have worked in the past, extremely well.

The unsanctioned flow of people and contraban across walls like these is slowed to a trickle. The population of one side, that is being preyed upon by the other, is protected.

Saber, your plan (actually a compilation of suggestions many FReepers have made for the past several years) is a good one, but it does nothing to address the issue of the large number of intruders crossing our borders with the single-minded intention of committing a crime or various crimes and then slipping back across the borders before they can be caught.

We'd all be better off, if these criminals had to go to greater lengths to enter and leave our country for their nefarious purposes.

Will workplace restrictions prevent the Mexican military from crossing our border and kid-napping an entire American family in the future?

No, workplace restrictions alone don't address any of these problems.

[imintrouble]

Documention before crossing the border. Filled out in Mexico and forwarded with appropriate Mexican information to the U.S. authorities.

Then like LEGAL ALIENS, they are processed at the border crossings themselves. Anyone who opts out of this as with LEGAL ALIENS, is returned.

The key here is the future employers in the U.S. I suggest heavy fines for those who employ ILLEGALS who have no documentation for being in the U.S.

Hitting people in the purse often solves many problems. If it is too much of a monetary gamble, some don't take the chance of employing anyone who isn't here legally.

For the need of a vote the country is being reduced in some areas to a third world state.

[4Freedom]

Documentation? Processed at the border crossings?

My post refers to a need along our borders for walls to prevent illegal crossings in the hundreds-of-miles wide gaps inbetween the formal border crossings. This is where the damage is being done.

There are roads along our northern border blocked by nothing but orange cones after a certain hour every evening.

The Mexican military 'don kare abow no steenkeen gringo documentation' when they cross our borders to kidnap American families or fire on Border Patrol Agents.

[imintrouble]

I know what your post referred to but if the Mexican knew there was an easier way to enter, the ones who wanted to work legally would go that route.

The illegals, or those transporting drugs or intent on crime, will get across anyway they can.

Your proposed "mined DMZ" I just can't go along with. But if you are into killing you have describe the perfect deterrent. It's your right of course.

I would prefer a less violent idea. I think the U.S. would too.

[4Freedom]

I never proposed a mined DMZ. Where in the hell did you get that?

Of the 4 barriers between nations that have been demonstrated to work in modern times, that I mentioned, only 1 is a mined DMZ.

I never gave my preference for any of the 4 barriers I mentioned on this thread. I simply stated that they all worked and that a similar barrier along with the other proposals mentioned in this thread would work for us.

Please, try again. ;^)

[imintrouble]

Sorry - I made an incorrect assumption and apologize!

[Lead Moderator]

I think you would serve the forum better if, instead of telling those on the other side of an issue from you how to post in ways in accordance with the guidelines we set, you did to those on your side. Leave the other side to self police, and let me and the staff handle it when the self-policing isn't working. Because the things you are saying are outside the bounds in the posts you quoted I don't see as being so.

Thanks, LM