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Democrats rattled by Bush's popularity among Jews
Republican Jewish Coalition ^ | January 7, 2004 | Ron Kampeas, JTA

Posted on 01/07/2004 9:36:12 AM PST by aynrandy

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To: ChicagoHebrew
Bush lost Wisconsin by what, 4000 votes...wanna guess how many Jews in the state, and you can even ignore Madison....(LOL)...
21 posted on 01/07/2004 10:31:44 AM PST by ken5050
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To: aynrandy
Stress the Democratic Party's commitment to Israel

Stress a lie? Clinton's Oslo was a committment to Israel's destruction, if anything.

22 posted on 01/07/2004 10:32:50 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: aynrandy
The campaign has three prongs, according to senior Democratic operatives who were involved in its formulation: Stress the Democratic Party's commitment to Israel and raise questions about Bush's own commitment; remind Jewish voters they are much likelier to favor Democratic positions on domestic issues, and marginalize Democrats who alienate Jews.

Right. Sure, there are quite a few 'rats who speak and vote the right way about Israel, but the worst anti-Israel crap (bordering on Jew-hating) comes from the left. While I'm not thrilled with quite a bit that Bush has (and has not) done wrt Israel, he's a damn sight better than Clintigula was. At the very least, Bush isn't acting out of an obsession with getting a Nobel prize.

As for marginalizing fellow 'rats?! Yeah, they sure did a lot to dump Cynthia McKinney and Earl Hilliard -- like avidly supporting them in their respective primaries. :::roll eyes:::

Ann Lewis, the Jewish former director of communications for the Clinton administration, attended a series of meetings of top Democrats in spring 2002 to discuss what they saw as a deteriorating situation with Jewish voters.

Barney Frank's sister.

He says there are signs Bush may well get tough with Israel in a second term, when he doesn't have to worry about re-election.

Unless Colon Bowel does a total and complete mind control thing, I don't see any signs of that whatsoever -- just leftist wishful thinking, such as they are capable of thinking.

"Look at the demographics of people who vote Democrat: People who don't go to church often, with a graduate level of education, who don't have guns, who live in the inner suburbs or cities," Forman said. "This should be a Democratic constituency."

Hmm... I'm Jewish, don't go to synagogue very often at all, I have a graduate degree, don't have a gun (although that's not what I desire) and live in *THE* city...and yet I'm a fairly hardcore conservative Republican. That's right, commies, keep taking "the Jewish vote" for granted... < /snicker>

"Those that believe and want to believe that they´re going to run a campaign on domestic issues are mistaken," Brooks said. "This will be a foreign-policy election."

The 'rats tried the switcheroo in '02 -- with disasterous (for them) results.

Dean has said his remarks were misinterpreted and that he merely meant greater U.S. involvement in resolving the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

Right. Now, when and how will he slither out of how he likened the pali terrorists as "soldiers" and said that Israel has to dismantle "lots" of settlements.

The sad thing is that last month, my dad and I went to a benefit concert for the Friends of the IDF at a synagogue in a fairly well-to-do area of Lawnguyland. Early on, I looked around the crowded synagogue, leaned over to my dad and said "I'll bet anything that come November 2004, you and I will be just about the only people from this room to vote for Bush. I can't believe that these people paid so much money to be here on such a crappy day [it had been snowing and sleeting that day], and will then work against this effort by voting for Dean."

Two virulently anti-Israel congressmen — Cynthia McKinney of Georgia and Earl Hilliard of Alabama — organized support against the 2002 solidarity vote that triggered the new Democratic outreach to the Jews. Jewish money helped opponents defeat them in 2002 party primaries, and Hoyer is not shy about reminding Jews of that success.

Yes, it was quite a success -- against the DCCC, who supported these two bigots. I love Hoyer taking credit for things he didn't do.

23 posted on 01/07/2004 10:33:40 AM PST by NYC GOP Chick (Kaddafi is such a whack job that he never promoted himself past Colonel!)
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To: MarkL
I think that more college age Jews will vote republican, after seeing the "peace protestors" spewing their hate at not just Israel, but Jews in general, and seeing the links between groups like the PA and moveon.org.

Nah. A big part of the "Jewish guilt experience" is that we're supposed to believe that we somehow deserve this abuse. Maybe for being successful or something like that. But I've seen that too often.

24 posted on 01/07/2004 10:36:58 AM PST by NYC GOP Chick (Kaddafi is such a whack job that he never promoted himself past Colonel!)
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To: ChicagoHebrew
I do agree that many liberal Jews will be less willing to contribute to a Dean campaign...

Wanna bet?

25 posted on 01/07/2004 10:37:48 AM PST by NYC GOP Chick (Kaddafi is such a whack job that he never promoted himself past Colonel!)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
leaned over to my dad and said "I'll bet anything that come November 2004, you and I will be just about the only people from this room to vote for Bush.

I hear ya .....I'm Jewish as well, haven't been to synagogue in ages, and come from a neighborhood (in L.A.) where Jews vote 'Rat in overwhelming #'s. But there are strong indications that the tide turning, and it has nothing to do with the success we're having in the WOT and the President's general overall friendliness to Israel. In the 2000 election (before any of us new for sure what Bush's policies would be), around 50% of all Jews under 30 voted for GWB. That's a big %, and especially significant because voters in that age group (right out of leftist brainwashing colleges) typically vote Democrat. This bodes well for the future -- the FDR/New Deal Dinosaur Jews are slowly sinking into oblivion.

26 posted on 01/07/2004 10:52:52 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: OldFriend
That has to be one of the more stridently rascist remarks that i have seen posted at Free Republic. And you can take that from an Orthodox Jew.
27 posted on 01/07/2004 10:56:44 AM PST by sofaman
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To: robertpaulsen
They voted 95% Democrat before. 25% is good change from 5%. My question is 25% of 2 million people is not a large vote to go crazy for? Perhaps that is why Bush is going crazy over the Latino votes--That is more than 30 million.
28 posted on 01/07/2004 10:57:05 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: aynrandy
"The thing that comes out loud and clear is that while Israel is of tremendous importance to Jewish voters, they're not one-dimensional, they still are a liberal-Democrat core constituency, they're very much anti-Bush on domestic programs and they did not enthusiastically support the Iraq war," Zogby said."

The world through the eyes of an Arab.
29 posted on 01/07/2004 11:00:21 AM PST by ZULU (Remember the Alamo!!!!!)
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To: sofaman
Obviously you have spent very little time in the secular jewish community.
30 posted on 01/07/2004 11:09:03 AM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: philosofy123
I don't consider it going crazy for the President to try to solve problems that are eating away at the fabric of life in many cities.

In my opinion, the President does what he thinks is best for the country without too much political posturing.

31 posted on 01/07/2004 11:10:57 AM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: philosofy123
Because we vote. It is anecdotal, of course, but my sibs and there spouses voted for Bush and so did my husband and I. My paretns (Floridians in their 80's may be a tougher nut to crack, but my mom really likes Bush and I'm working on it.

Even my son and daughter in law (Japanese-American) fresh out of Harvard and living in LA voted for Arnold.

You might be pleasantly surprised.

Most people tend to vote as their parents do, but that is changing.
32 posted on 01/07/2004 11:13:48 AM PST by the Real fifi
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To: the Real fifi
The vote percentages miss something else -- the intensity of political preference and loyalty. In the 1980s, I was told at my synagogue on more than one occasion by sincere people that it was immoral for me to vote Republican. Most Jews may still vote Dem, but there is a big change in tone -- Jewish Republicans can more often safely come out of the closet in their peer groups now. Sure, many community "leaders" shill for the Dems (e.g., at rallies, give a Dem a keynote speech and give a Republican a 30-second sound bite). I suspect that if you ignore the people who vote out of habit and focus on those who vote out of intense, well-informed political convictions, there is a major shift afoot.

"Supporting Jewish issues" to Dems is a cynical tactic. Marginalizing Arafat, destroying Saddam, moving to change the future of the middle east -- those are profound deeds. Jews for whom Judaism is merely a synonym for liberalism have a lower reproduction rate (as Jews through intermarriage and as humans through birth control and abortion) than Jews who are actively engaged in religious life. Look to Bush to surprise the pundits and garner a surprisingly large share of Jewish campaign contributions and, yes, votes in 2004.
33 posted on 01/07/2004 11:27:43 AM PST by Starrgaizr
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To: OldFriend
Many jewish voters are elitist......plain and simple!

Im sorry, but I cant agree with this broad brush stroke. I guess we found the far right folks who are anti-Jewish...geesh.

34 posted on 01/07/2004 11:50:00 AM PST by smith288 (Secret member of the VRWC elite forces)
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To: ken5050
Bush lost Wisconsin by what, 4000 votes...wanna guess how many Jews in the state, and you can even ignore Madison....(LOL)

There are 28,000 (see source below). Of those, statistically, about 6000 are probably below 18. That leaves 22000. Jews vote in statistically higher amounts than most Americans, so lets say 15,000 of those Jews voted in 2000. Say that 80% voted for Gore, that means 12000 for Gore, 3000 for Bush. Now if Bush gets 40%, he picks up a net 6000 votes. So, I guess you are right-- in 2000 getting a higher Jewish vote would have made a difference. However, I seriously doubt that 2004 will be anywhere as near as freakishly close.

That being said, the data indicates a few more states with more Jews than I thought they had (Marlyand, Massachusets, Conneticut and Nevada). However, of those states, 3 are solidly blue and 1 is solidly red, so the Jewish vote won't matter much there. http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/usjewpop.html

35 posted on 01/07/2004 11:50:57 AM PST by ChicagoHebrew
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To: 2banana
Forman also said Jews naturally would vote Democratic.

Is this racism or what?

We've seen this before right here on FR. Blacks and Jews were called "natural socialists" by one particular poster.

I'll never forget that one.


36 posted on 01/07/2004 11:52:56 AM PST by rdb3
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To: aynrandy
The good news for us is that the demographics are VERY much in our favor. Today's younger Jewish Americans are far more likely to vote Republican their their parents and grandparents who still worship the memory of Eleanor Roosevelt. The times they are a changin'.
37 posted on 01/07/2004 11:55:55 AM PST by jpl
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38 posted on 01/07/2004 11:57:44 AM PST by SJackson
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To: smith288
Sorry to disappoint you in your assumptions about me.

I ws brought up in an orthodox jewish household.

Perhaps I hear things that would not be said to a gentile but I assure you the prevalent thoughts in the liberal jewish community is that 'thosse' people need our help. That 'their' children cannot learn if they aren't sitting next to white children in school, etc. etc.

39 posted on 01/07/2004 12:08:18 PM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: aynrandy
that is just wrong:... The deduction does not target Israel’s security fence, which Israel will complete in consultation with the United States. This deduction was anticipated and applies only to the construction of settlements.

No, you're wrong. The administration made the determination that those portions of the fence built east of the 67 line were "settlements".

40 posted on 01/07/2004 12:10:58 PM PST by SJackson
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