Jobs Americans Won't Do: Voodoo Economics from the White House.

National Review Online ^ | January 07, 2004 | Mark Krikorian

[Protagoras]

When you say you prefer Mexican immigrants to Americans,

I never said that..you lied. It is so freakin sad that you have to resort to lies to make your point. You make me puke.

[FITZ]

According to that chart ---- the saying should be changed from "jobs that Americans won't do" to "jobs that Mexicans won't do" ---- it's Americans that have a far lower rate of welfare use.

[FITZ]

It would be interesting to see the change in the hispanic vote from previous decades. 1960s and 1970s --- which I believe was when the hispanic vote actually was largely Republican. It's been less Republican AFTER the 1980's amnesty --- so there is no evidence that pandering ever did help the Republican party.

[Dan Evans]

The people here are bad enough already. I don't know if the people coming here anymore are interested in freedom or just a free ride. But if they are interested in freedom, I'll trade all the complacent slobs here for them one for one.

I'll let you explain what you mean by this.

[sarcasm]

There was an article in the Washington Times the other day which said that over 80% of Mexican immigrants wanted national health insurance - here's why:

[Kay Soze]

As it is for copper or oil, this fact is true also for labor; as wages have risen over time, innovators have devised ways of substituting capital for labor, increasing productivity to the benefit of all.

[FITZ]

That doesn't surprise me at all ---- in this area of the country only 33% of the population is covered by private insurance. I would guess very few illegals believe in paying health insurance premiums --- of course they like the idea of totally free health care.

Bush hasn't specifed much in his proposals ---- but it doesn't mention the Mexican government nor the guest workers having to provide in any way toward their own health care costs.

[Dan Evans]

Not a given I admit. But I have faith Hispanics can climb the economic ladder

But why? Yes, I know some of them can excel, and have. What is it about them that you have faith in them? Or do you just have faith in anyone who wants to come here? The track record of Mexican immigrants lately is pretty dismal. I think they are coming here because of freebies rather than economic freedom. This is different from the Cubans and the Vietnamese who came here fleeing tyrants. Those are the people who vote Republican.

I believe that there are a lot of people in the world who want to immigrate to the US and would be an asset. We should carefully examine who, historically, has been good for the country and those who have been trouble. And we should dare to ask ourselves why.

[familyofman]

"Win-win for Bush and that is what matters."

How very, very sad that it all boils down to politics & power. That is one of, if not, the most cynical arguments I have ever hear - you're sure it wasn't Clinton that said that, or James Carville.

I'm still holding out for the politician with the cajones to propose "operation round-up". Maybe Tom Delay can help here since he was an exterminator - rid us of the pests and criminals.

[Lady Eileen]

bump

[Protagoras]

"I don't know if the people coming here anymore are interested in freedom or just a free ride. But if they are interested in freedom, I'll trade all the complacent slobs here for them one for one."

I'll let you explain what you mean by this.

It reads perfectly for anyone who can read. I'll go slow for those who are impaired in that regard.

I would happily trade each complacent slob who doesn't care one bit about freedom for a new person from another country who does care about freedom. Anyone who tries to make that into a statement that says I think all the people here are slobs is either an idiot or a liar. Which are you?

[Dan Evans]

"The people here are bad enough already. I don't know if the people coming here anymore are interested in freedom or just a free ride. But if they are interested in freedom, I'll trade all the complacent slobs here for them one for one."

Anyone who tries to make that into a statement that says I think all the people here are slobs is either an idiot or a liar.

I didn't use the word "all" and you didn't use the word "some" (at least not in the original post). And you did make the blanket statement, "the people here are bad enough already". But it doesn't matter if you qualify it, you are comparing people "here" (Americans) with "people coming here", (foreigners).

You can criticize Americans, and you can say you admire immigrants, fine. But compare Americans ("all" or "some") unfavorably with foreigners ("freedom-loving" or not) in the same sentence then you risk getting flamed by people who are better at it than I am.

It's kind of like when some Hollywood brat goes overseas and trashes America. It doesn't matter if you qualify it later and say "some" Americans or just "the complacent slobs" here.

[Protagoras]

Your whole post is nonsense except the part about you not being good at flaming people. You bore me. This exchange is over, take your last cheap shot if you wish.

[eleni121]

Actually DeLay is mostly for this plan. At least so far.

Politics and Power - it may sound cynical but that is what it's about in a representative democracy. Without power this President has no chance of moving this nation to the Right.

[Zipporah]

."grant amnesty to millions of illegals currently in the United States, as well as import millions of new workers from abroad."..

The vast majority of people have NO idea how much damage this proposal will do.. they just listen to the sound bites and issue opinion subjectively rather than objectively.

[SteelTrap]

I suppose it it is my personal interactions that make me predisposed to believe it will ultimately work to our favor. My experiences may not be representaive of course but I admit I am an optimist. I think the track record you speak of is also true of other segments stuck forever on the bottom rung of the economic ladder - by their own choice. If we go by historical precedence, it will still depend upon your criteria. The Cubans who moved here with oppresion fresh in their minds were/are reliably Republican, their progeny is drifting leftward.

[Fledermaus]

Hey...that's great Mark..If you like scarfing at Sizzler, it's all good, but many of us prefer our dining out to be Dining.

What a condenscending remark. You obviously never have been to the South since buffet style is popular in a lot of meat and threes and very good.

[Fledermaus]

Oh, a New Yorker...figures.

[Dan Evans]

Here is a letter from a lady who has had some personal experiences with Mexican immigrants. Would you read this and comment?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1055276/posts