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Contact Tom Tancredo (R-Co), Chirman of the House Immigration Reform Caucus
Contact Congressman Tancredo ^ | 1.7.04 | Remember_Salamis

Posted on 01/07/2004 8:18:04 PM PST by Remember_Salamis

Contact Tom Tancredo (R-Co), Chirman of the House Immigration Reform Caucus (HIRC). He's one of the few elected republicans with his head on straight. Here's their platform:

Rep. Tom Tancredo’s Four-Point Plan for Immigration Control

The United States has lost control over its immigration policy. Over one million persons enter our nation illegally each year and we have antiquated and error-prone systems for knowing who our legal visitors are and for enforcing their visa time limits. Every poll shows that over 75% of citizens support border security and strict enforcement of our immigration laws. They want our immigration policies fixed. Here is my four-point plan for achieving control of our borders and enforcing sensible immigration policies.

1. Secure our Nation’s Borders

Increase Border Patrol manpower from the present 11,500 to 20,000 (HR 3534). Use the U.S. Military until the Border Patrol reaches that manpower level (HR 277). Accelerate the use of new technology and Unmanned Aerial Vehicles to identify and help apprehend smugglers and trespassers. Double the capacity of the detention centers for apprehended trespassers. End the “catch and release” policy by instituting fines and jail time for repeat offenders. Require stiff prison sentences for convicted “coyotes” and felons who return to the U.S. after deportation. Accelerate the implementation of the “USVISIT” biometric identifier program for all foreign nationals entering the country through our ports of entry. 2. Establish a Genuine Guest Worker Program

Enact a genuine Guest Worker Bill (HR 3534) to allow any foreign national to enter the US legally to work for up to one year in a job that cannot be filled by a citizen. Require employers to advertise all jobs on an internet bulletin board and for two weeks before hiring a Guest Worker. Require illegal aliens already in the U.S. to first return home and apply for jobs through the legal processes. 3. Improve “Interior Enforcement” of Immigration Laws

Provide adequate resources to the “Detention and Removal” branch of the Bureau of Customs and Immigration Enforcement (BICE) to allow apprehension and removal of all criminal aliens. Enact the “CLEAR” Act (HR 2671) to give local law enforcement incentives and reimbursements for participating in immigration law enforcement. Establish stiff fines and tax penalties for employers who violate the law by hiring illegal aliens, and devote adequate resources to identify and prosecute those employers. 4. Remove Incentives for Illegal Immigration

Employers who hire illegal aliens should face stiff fines and tax penalties (see#2 above). Federal and State agencies should be prohibited from recognizing the Mexican Government’s “Matricula Consular” ID card. States that grant driver’s licenses to illegal aliens should suffer loss of federal highway funds. Children born to illegal aliens should not be given citizenship status (HR 1567). Federal court rulings and other policies that require health and educational services to illegal aliens should be overturned. Amend Social Security Act to deny credits for wages earned in illegal employment or to self-employed engaged in illegal activities (HR 1631). Insist that the Government of Mexico extradite felony criminals who retreat into Mexico. Encourage the Government of Mexico to repeal its Dual Citizenship law.

Here's the other members of the caucus. What's funny is that there' only two democrats in the caucus and one of them's becoming a republican (Hall from Tx): Todd Akin (R-MO) Robert Aderholt (R-AL) Spencer Bachus (R-AL) J. Gresham Barrett (R-SC) Richard Baker (R-LA) Roscoe Bartlett (R-MD) Joe Barton (R-TX) Michael Bilirakis (R-FL) John Boozman (R-AR) Allen Boyd (D-FL) Henry Brown (R-SC) Ginny Brown-Waite (R-FL) Michael Burgess (R-TX) Dan Burton (R-IN) Eric Cantor (R-VA) John Carter (R-TX) Mac Collins (R-GA) Barbara Cubin (R-WY) John Culberson (R-TX) JoAnn Davis (R-VA) Nathan Deal (R-GA) John Doolittle (R-CA) Jim Duncan (R-TN) J. Randy Forbes (R-VA) Phil Gingrey (R-GA) Virgil Goode (R-VA) Sam Graves (R-MO) Jim Greenwood (R-PA) Gil Gutknecht (R-MN) Ralph Hall (D-TX) Joel Hefley (R-CO) Wally Herger (R-CA) Henry Hyde (R-IL) Robin Hayes (R-NC) J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ) Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) Duncan Hunter (R-CA) Johnny Isakson (R-GA) Ernest Istook (R-OK) Chris John (D-LA) Sam Johnson (R-TX) Walter Jones (R-NC) Steve King (R-IA) Donald Manzullo (R-IL) Gary Miller (R-CA) Jeff Miller (R-FL) Marilyn Musgrave (R-CO) Charlie Norwood (R-GA) Butch Otter (R-ID) Mike Pence (R-IN) Chip Pickering (R-MS) Jim Ramstad (R-MN) Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) Ed Royce (R-CA) Edward Schrock (R-VA) Pete Sessions (R-TX) John Shadegg (R-AZ) Michael Simpson (R-ID) Lamar Smith (R-TX) Nick Smith (R-MI) Cliff Stearns (R-FL) John Sullivan (R-OK) Tom Tancredo (R-CO) Patrick Tiberi (R-OH) Fred Upton (R-MI) David Vitter (R-LA) Zach Wamp (R-TN) Dave Weldon (R-FL) Roger Wicker (R-MS)


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To: Remember_Salamis
I live here in Georgia, and they sent me literature last year wanting me to help the Ga. Republican Party. I sent
them a negative reply since they have failed to make
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION an issue in this state. Unfortunately,
our RINO Governor has made race relations a bigger issue
in our state. I am glad even more that I consider myself
an independent and not beholden to the demopublicans (or
republicrats, whichever you want to call them.)
51 posted on 01/08/2004 9:13:12 AM PST by jragan2001
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To: Dane
I'm not libertarian. I'm a conservative constitutionalist not a company man.

With that said, Prez speech had a glaring logical falacy among many: Bush asks congress to pass this program so that we can secure our borders during WOT--words to that effect.

Let's follow Bush's logic. Bush refuses to secure borders since 9-11 (documented fact). Bush's cabinet refuse to secure support for states doing battle with illegal problem. Bush's admin. continues failed policy enacted since LAST AMNESTY letting borders bleed--a source of serious concern for national security.

Bush then propooses nullifying laws, bankrupting our welfare, medical, and education systems by giving 20-40 (not 10!) million ILLEGAL ALIENS (not PC undocumented workers) quasi-legal status FOR THE PURPOSE OF SECURING BORDERS THAT HAVE YET TO BE SECURED.

Logic of Bush is likened to a farmer looking the other way so that the FOX can enter the chicken coop, then giving the FOX legal status as "co-farmer" to protect the chickens from evil foxes.


Dane, my guess is that you are outed as the company man. Truth is Bush has revealed his true colors as a liberal but he also revealed his vulnerability for reelection, peeing off conservatives. Rove knows this so now we'll see posts on the FR and hear callers to Rush attacking conservative position as far-right extreme thus beating cons back into lockstep ala CFR, brain stem, sodomy legalization, medicare scripts.

BTW, conservatives have a plan that is is simple and very effective concerning illegal aliens. Pressure Bush and Rove's RINOS to obey the laws of the sovereign USA. Let's say that conservatives are just following Bush's amigo Fox; Fox secures his borders to the south with Mexican army.
52 posted on 01/08/2004 9:34:14 AM PST by sully777 (We have need of history, not to fall back on, but to see if we can escape from it--Ortega Y Gasset)
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To: Truth29
"Opponents derided Bush's proposal as an "amnesty," a politically charged term that causes conservatives to recoil. Rep. Elton Gallegly (R-Calif.), a member of the House subcommittee that would consider the bill, said it "amounts to the forgiveness of a criminal act, no different under the law than printing hundred-dollar bills in your garage.""

Tancredo has at least one real ally.....my Congressman!!
53 posted on 01/08/2004 9:43:50 AM PST by international american (support our troops.........revoke Hillary's visa!!)
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To: Baynative
Nice picture.
54 posted on 01/08/2004 9:47:03 AM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Here's my letter to Tancredo:

I'm voting for GW Bush. Your help in this matter will be greatly appreciated.

Best Regards,
Liberty

W'04
55 posted on 01/08/2004 9:50:30 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: GodBlessUSA
Well said. I live in DC and work across the river from National Airport, which is not far from the Pentagon. Although I did not lose a loved one, I very well could have. My son watched the plane crash into the Pentagon. He was that close.

I for one don't agree with President Bush's idea on how to handle illegals. But, I know I must vote for him again if I want our military and the Iraqi people to win. We've gotten Hussein and his butcher regime. BUT, we still have to get BinLaden and the rest of the terrorist organizations. If we let a Democrat win, they will pull out our military (how may have you heard say they will continue to support our military stance?), all those lives sacrificed will be in vain, the Iraqi people will fall under another ethnic regime (maybe the remaining Taliban), our taxes will go back up (how many Dems have you heard say they will keep the tax cuts?), Dems are the ones complaining already that the new US policy on photo/fingerprinting foreign visitors is extreme (what they don't want to get a handle on who visits the US?), etc. Yes, many people don't want Bush to win. We will see all sorts of mud-slinging and smoke-n-mirrors and hear rumors and half-truths in the months ahead. After all, we only have 10 months.

I will find another way to disagree with the President on this issue. I think I will send off an email to the GOP to make my views known.
56 posted on 01/08/2004 10:10:54 AM PST by beachn4fun (Have you made your contribution to the Free Republic, yet?)
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To: Remember_Salamis; All
FYI...

Tancredo's version of the guest worker bill

57 posted on 01/08/2004 10:24:28 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: Truth29
I gave the office a call to express my support. I will be writing Tancredo in for President.
58 posted on 01/08/2004 10:28:10 AM PST by riri
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To: FITZ
"What can he do ---- send out agents to do door to door searches looking for the illegals who didn't sign up with his guest worker program?"

That would be a good start - then we can round up the rest of the criminals & ship them home. Wire Pallidin, San Francisco. I would gladly sign up to be part of the posse sending these criminals home, if their home country doesn't want them give them a rowboat & some oars.
59 posted on 01/08/2004 10:44:33 AM PST by familyofman
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To: GodBlessUSA
"TO THOSE WHO WON'T VOTE FOR PRESIDENT BUSH AGAIN:
A democrat will win this election."

A small price to pay for the message that will be sent - don't take the base for granted. A house built on a strong foundation will stand - but if you move the house from the foundation, be prepared for what follows.
60 posted on 01/08/2004 10:49:03 AM PST by familyofman
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To: Remember_Salamis
I like it so much I could have written it myself!
61 posted on 01/08/2004 10:53:27 AM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: familyofman
Is it worth terrorist attacks? Alienating our Military. Because that will happen with a Dem. It won't be a small price to pay, that was the point of my earlier post.
62 posted on 01/08/2004 10:53:52 AM PST by GodBlessUSA
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To: auboy
It's unbelievable to see people choose not to vote for Bush at this critical time of war to chance one of those eggheads (being kind) running in the democrat primaries.

This bears repeating!

I agree

It's unbelievable to see people choose not to vote for Bush at this critical time of war to chance one of those eggheads (being kind) running in the democrat primaries.

63 posted on 01/08/2004 11:20:25 AM PST by BushisTheMan
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To: beachn4fun
Thanks beachn4fun
I agree with you. I've written RNC and other officials regarding policies. It does makes a difference, I hope. I pray the GOP wakes up and starts running some true Republican/Conservatives. I wrote the RNC to ask them to please prepare for 2006 to unseat Hillary. They blew that election big time. I also wrote them to get someone to run against the RINO Bloomberg or a dem will be Mayor of NYC soon. I hope they listen to what people say.

Your son witnessed that. How horrible. I'm sure you were worried to death. I had spoken with my sister from DC following the Pentagon attack and she must have just missed being in that area. She drives behind the Pentagon each day going to work. Some of the stories from 9/11 NY I can't even repeat without tears. My husband finally got through to me that day. His flight took off that morning, needless to say I was in panic and fear. I remember going to bed hearing Military planes at night and my husband somewhere trying to get home. Frightening, to say the least.. That's why I would never take a chance voting for anyone other than Bush at this time, it’s too dangerous. It would be awful for our Military to have to endure a democrat. I pray we never have to live through something like that again.
64 posted on 01/08/2004 11:20:32 AM PST by GodBlessUSA
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To: BushisTheMan; auboy
Thanks for the repeats :)
65 posted on 01/08/2004 11:42:28 AM PST by GodBlessUSA
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To: Remember_Salamis; gubamyster; FairOpinion; FoxFang; FITZ; moehoward; Nea Wood; Joe Hadenuf; ...
BumPing!!!
66 posted on 01/08/2004 2:11:11 PM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: Remember_Salamis; Donna Lee Nardo
I would like to repost Donna's excellent assessment posted on another thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1013726/posts?page=8206#8206

Donna Lee Nardo posted:

"Careful ... isn't recommending a 3rd party candidate one of the contributors to how we ended up being stuck with clintoon in the first place? Isn't this also one of the factors in how the race between GWB and algore was very close? The reality is that 3rd party candidates -- even excellent choices such as Tancredo -- are spoilers.
My vote remains with GWB despite my disappointment with the illegal immigration policy ideas. I am hoping that GWB has a few tricks up his sleeves, as he so often does.

Much will probably change before such a policy switch happens, IMHO. This is a huge, important issue, but it is one issue and nearly all other issues that I care about find GWB on the good, right and moral side. We will never find a person who will mirror all of our ideals. Even though -- for the most part -- we are all non-liberals and non-demoncrats here on FR, there are variances even among our stances. If we don't continue to work together, we will loose the progress we have made since election 2000."

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I totally agree with Donna's assessment.We need to be careful so we don't end up "throwing the baby out with the bathwater". We need to have faith in Bush, and stand by him.

I think by giving a chance to the illegals who have/find themselves steady jobs, he is opening the door to deny services to the illegals who are a drain on our economy and welfare system. I think people, even many here are again "misunderestimating" Bush.
67 posted on 01/08/2004 2:17:07 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: freeangel
Now you understand!

Bush will deal with the illegals and those who fail to register, HARSHLY.

After the enactment of this policy, any remaining illegals will be considered to represent a potential security threat to our great nation.

Here's the plan, but remember, Bush inherited this mess, so while it isn't perfect, it is a great beginning. Follow along:

1. Provide a means for those aliens already working in legitimate jobs for American companies or private families, and who truly deserve an American future, to properly obey and respect our laws, and let us also be kind to their families too. These are the high-profile sympathy cases that could destroy the GOP presidency if lumped in with the worst of the aliens. These hard luck stories will otherwise fill the airwaves, and many GOP and independent voters will feel the legitimate pain and suffering of such refugees. Call them the "Elians";
2. Provide a more efficient means for the next wave of good people to apply legitimately for access before they too become illegals. Call them the "Pre-emptives";
3. Bear down HARD on the remaining illegals, and begin to treat them as that: ILLEGAL. Without remorse and without shame, get rid of them. Call them the "Osamas". For the first time, given the cover of a legitimate and efficient access pathway, THERE WILL BE NO EXCUSE FOR THEIR BEHAVIOR.

So, keep the Elians, work with the Pre-Emptives, and dump the Osamas.

Come now, Freepers, you can get there, if you try.
68 posted on 01/08/2004 2:24:58 PM PST by Stallone (Warrior Freepers Rule The Earth)
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To: Truth29
Tom Tancredo does accept support from persons other than constituents. Actually, the greater portion of his financial support is from out of staters. The Republican National Committee has withdrawn its financial support and Karl Rove is actively seeking somebody to run against him.
69 posted on 01/08/2004 2:48:29 PM PST by navyblue
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To: Geezerette
GO PAN!
70 posted on 01/08/2004 2:55:22 PM PST by navyblue
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To: Stallone
After the enactment of this policy, any remaining illegals will be considered to represent a potential security threat to our great nation

Are you ever in for the let down of a lifetime. None of that is going to happen. Even if Bush wanted it to happen the radical fifth column on our streets, in our courts and in our universities would never let it.

They are all here to say. Plus their immediate families. Plus anyone else that cares to come grab a slice of the pie.

71 posted on 01/08/2004 2:59:22 PM PST by riri
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To: jragan2001
I will be writing in Tancredo also. He will be in LR in Feb and I will be going to see him.

I received a call today from the Republican National Committee. I told him I was giving all my contributions to Tancredo and others who opposed amnesty and that I would be writing in Tancredo's name for President.
72 posted on 01/08/2004 3:21:49 PM PST by Travelgirl
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To: Travelgirl
I received a call today from the Republican National Committee. I told him I was giving all my contributions to Tancredo and others who opposed amnesty and that I would be writing in Tancredo's name for President

Good for you.

73 posted on 01/08/2004 3:24:19 PM PST by riri
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To: navyblue
The RNC has withdrawn all of its support from Tancredo? Then Tancredo should run for President and give Rove a real headache. I will also contribute to Tancredo's campaign, either for Pres or his House reelection campaign.

The RNC fund raising letters come all of the time. Now I have something new to put on the responses.

74 posted on 01/08/2004 3:48:09 PM PST by Truth29
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To: Travelgirl
This is the letter that I wrote to my Congressmen Sam Graves about joining Congressmen Tancredo in the fight to stop the illegalization of America.

Congressman Graves:
Please join Congressmen Tancredo in stopping this revolution against America by our president. I am strong republican supporter but our president is joining the liberals on this one. We must continue fighting the uncontrolled mass immigration of illegal aliens. You must win this fight or the US will be lost. A nation that cannot control its borders will soon lose its identity. President Bush's proposed amnesty for illegals is a danger to America and will lead to millions more coming across our borders. I am a Hispanic American myself and my family came here in the early 1900's legally! I do not consider myself Hispanic but an AMERICAN. I support your fight 100%. I live outside of St Joe and am originally from Burlington Junction which is 11 miles from your hometown of Tarkio. I realize that you are but one voice for us but we need you now more than ever to come through for us. We need to put troops on the borders to secure this great nation of ours. I do not relish putting troops in harms way as I am a veteran of the first Gulf War but this action must be taken to secure this nation.
75 posted on 01/08/2004 5:42:37 PM PST by MizzouTigerRepublican (82nd ABN Gulf war vet)
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To: Zipporah
My letter to Tancredo:

Dear Congressman Tancredo:

I admire you and your courage in standing up to people like Karl Rove, the worst insider in President Bush's White House. I voted for Bush but he is really upsetting me with his blanket amnesty plan. Why do the President ignore up to 60% of the population who vehemently OPPOSE amnesty year after year. Yet, both parties want to turn the other way and ignore the situation. Your web site states: "America is a welcoming nation, and the hard work and strength of our immigrants have made our Nation prosperous." That is a nice line and warm and fuzzy, but most of the people here came as LEGAL immigrants, as my Italian and Canadian families did (I have their naturalization papers to prove it!) did and President Bush's Mayflower ancestors. He and McCain are rewarding the breaking of Federal Law, which INSULTS my ancestors as well as yours. Karl Rove is giving him horrible advice, for the sake of the imaginary smacking of their chops over the growing Hispanic vote. Is it worth alienating 65-70% of the population who opposes this measure in order to butter up a group who goes usually goes Democratic anyway? Why not revamp the INS, and get the long needed deportation of these illegals going? It will cost millions, surely, and the liberal press will print "sob stories" of the illegals that were only trying to assist their dying sister in Guadalajara, but the American people will stand by you...and Bush if he reconsiders. He may lose some of the Hispanic vote (many Hispanics that I personally know are actually opposed to his amnesty program), but will pick up the votes of those disgusted with the blanket amnesty programs that date back to Reagan.

It is disconcerting enough to have these illegals refuse to assimilate into our culture as my ancestors did, but the extra costs of dealing with these people have made welfare and health care costs go through the roof and nearly belly up from the abuse and bloated rolls. It is a dirty secret why health care is so expensive --one of the many reasons is the fact that hospitals are giving many illegals free health care because by law they CANNOT refuse to treat them even with no insurance or means to pay.

They say the illegals do the work no one else will do. Fine enough, but I am certain that those already on welfare or social services could be given incentives to take these jobs instead of stay on the rolls. Developing a sane a guest worker program and incentives for future citizenship is a priority, but the need to deport the offenders and seal the boarder is now. Mexico's Vincente Fox is taking advantage of our generosity, and he is merely using this as a way to not deal with his own nation's poverty and throw the burden of poor Mexicans on us. That modi operati is unfair and grossly abusive of Fox.

I am also urging my congressman, Amo Houghton, and Senators Clinton and Schumer to vote no on this bill, and will not support them if they vote for the amnesty.

I say to Bush "I am sorry Mr. President, but you are wrong on this and Karl Rove should treat the legal immigrants and the descendants of legal immigrants with more respect than has been lately given." I say you to you, Congressman Tancredo, "right on! You have most of the country on your side! Fight the good fight and the dangerous pro-amnesty elements in the GOP (Kyle, McCain, Orrin Hatch et. al.)

Good luck and God bless, Mike
Rochester NY
76 posted on 01/08/2004 8:34:57 PM PST by FUMETTI (Howard Dean: Clown)
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To: Stallone
You say

"....to provide a means for those aliens already working in legitimate jobs for American companies or private families, and who truly deserve an American future, to properly obey and respect our laws, and let us also be kind to their families too."

I say DEPORT them ASAP! They broke the law, we should give send them back and give that bastard Vincente Fox THE BILL! Sure it will cost millions, but our security and culture are worth it!

You say....

"These are the high-profile sympathy cases that could destroy the GOP presidency if lumped in with the worst of the aliens."

SEVENTY PERCENT OF OUR COUNTRY opposes this measure! It is stupid NOT to oppose amnesty!

You say:

"These hard luck stories will otherwise fill the airwaves, and many GOP and independent voters will feel the legitimate pain and suffering of such refugees. Call them the "Elians"

You are underestimating people and their passions. These sob stories are going to be flooding the airwaves, for sure, but ANY conservative measure such as welfare reform will bring about these asinine tales of poor illegals who only wanted to help their family. They tried it with the Contract with America! They failed! I am adament...get them OUT! Put those on welfare rolls to do these jobs "no one else will do!"
77 posted on 01/08/2004 8:41:59 PM PST by FUMETTI (Howard Dean: Clown)
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To: BushisTheMan
Even without the war, it is incredible that people would want Democrats - who are for amnesty clearly - to win over Bush, when they are so opposed to Bush.

This is cutting off the nose to spite the face.

Far more effective to get in your local Reps face on this issue and make sure the candidates running for Congress know your thoughts and desires ... then if you have a pro-amnesty Republican in Congress, run against him/her.

78 posted on 01/08/2004 8:56:56 PM PST by WOSG (Freedom, Baby! Yeah!)
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To: Remember_Salamis
Immigration Enforcement:
1. Abolish the EOIR, it is a failure of an agency; abolish the BIA that
handles immigration 'appeals' as well. This system is not designed
to deport aliens that deserve to be deported, it's designed to frustrate
the enforcement of immigration law. Michelle Malkin suggests in her
book "Invasion":
"Finally, Attorney General John Ashcroft should abolish the Executive Office
for Immigration Review and the Board of Immigration Appeals and transfer
their functions to existing law enforcement officers within the immigration
bureaucracy. ... Restoring integrity to the immigration process will require
closing the loopholes and black holes into which so many fugitive absconders,
criminal aliens, and unwelcome guests have disappeared. " - Michelle Malkin
INS and Border Patrol Counsels could replace this byzantine process
and administrative removal orders could simply be given administratively.
Replace the agencies with law enforcement agents and lawyers who prosecute
and win deportation cases rather than drag them out.
Use the powers of Article III section 2 to repeal through law
the ability to appeal deportation orders to death (and to the
Supreme Court).
2. Fund the FBI's enforcement of immigration law so that it is
a priority for the agency.
3. Increase funding and manpower of U.S. Border Patrol;
If needed, assign US. military troops to help the Border Patrol regain
control of our border. Use whatever is necessary and practical
- fences, UAVs, motion detectors - to manage the borders so
there are less border crossings.
4. Increase funding to enforce laws against employing illegal aliens
5. Create verifiable documentation for use in employment to stop
documentation fraud. Set up a national database for document verification
so document fraud is tracked down. Require employers to verify
employment and hold employers responsible for hiring illegal aliens.
" One simple change could put teeth into the law. Employers should be
required to confirm that the Social Security number presented
by a worker has in fact been issued to that worker.
A computerized database, much like the nationwide
instant-background check used to verify gun buyers,
could handle that job easily.
Such a database already exists, but it is seldom used. " - Jay Bookman
6. Pass laws and use verifiable documentation to end immigration benefit
fraud as well. It is rampant (see the GAO,
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d0266.pdf)
7. Increase alien detention space so that aliens ready for deportation
are held in detention and not released to the streets where they merely
evade deportation.
8. Abolish 245(i) and other provisions of stealth amnesty that have been put
there through law or court rulings. Criminal aliens should be deported
without exceptions. For example, a loophole that gives women citizenship
or LPR status for "spousal abuse" is an open invitation for fraud.
Many men's lives have been destroyed by fraudulent allegations designed by
illegal aliens to gain citizenship. End that loophole in 204(a)(1)(A)(iii)
of the immigration act.
9. Give incentives and rewards to private citizens who turn in
or report illegal aliens who are subsequently deported.
10. Encourage local law enforcement to enforce immigration law
as well. (The CLEAR Act sponsored by Lamar Smith).


79 posted on 01/08/2004 9:04:45 PM PST by WOSG (Freedom, Baby! Yeah!)
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To: Remember_Salamis
http://lamarsmith.house.gov/news.asp?FormMode=Detail&ID=343


January 7, 2004 Christopher Chichester
Press Secretary
202-225-4236

Smith: Immigration Plan Hurts American Workers

Congressman Lamar Smith, R-San Antonio, today said the Administration’s new immigration plan hurts American workers. Smith is a member and former Chairman of the House Immigration Subcommittee.

“The administration has proposed a ‘guest worker’ program, gradual amnesty for illegal aliens and a dramatic increase in legal immigration,” Smith said.

“Cheap foreign labor depresses the wages of both U.S. citizens and legal immigrants,” commented Smith. “We should put the interests of American workers first, not last. Our immigration policies should help, not hurt, American workers.”

“Gradual amnesty for illegal aliens rewards those who have broken the law and encourages more illegal immigration,” continued Smith. “Our immigration policies should do the opposite – discourage lawbreakers and reduce illegal immigration.”

“Legal immigration already is at record high levels. We should assimilate those immigrants who are here, not increase immigration further,” stated Smith.

“The Federal government does not enforce many immigration laws,” asserted Smith. “The loud message broadcast to the world is: Get in illegally and we’ll make it easy for you to stay.”

Smith noted, “The Federal government allows employers to hire illegal aliens, prohibits government agencies from sharing information about the illegal status of immigrants, and provides government benefits at taxpayer expense to illegal aliens.”

“The Administration’s proposals make it harder to win the war on terrorism. ‘Guest worker’ programs and gradual amnesty provide cover for terrorists,” concluded Smith.

80 posted on 01/08/2004 9:09:40 PM PST by WOSG (Freedom, Baby! Yeah!)
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To: Mamzelle
You don't notice Rush calling for enforcement of our immigration laws--and why not?

He did today, likely because he got hammered by his listeners, including me, and on exactly the same points you make. I don't think some prominent Republicans have yet awoken to the fact that not all the party faithful are CEO's of fortune-500 companies. (And George Will is too busy reading the unabridged dictionary to notice that Reagan isn't the president anymore.)

The difference between Republican and Democratic have-nots isn't in their bank accounts, it's in the fact that we don't have our hands out -- but neither do we expect to have our wallets stolen by our own party.

81 posted on 01/08/2004 9:21:08 PM PST by browardchad
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
The reason I think it is unfair to call this 'amnesty' is that the amnesty advocates want a blanket conversion of illegals into legals. That is what was done in 1986. That's not Bush's plan. In the guest worker plan, illegals have no special 'place in line' to get these guest workers visas. And after 3 years, they can apply but have no special place in line for the permanent residency vias. The only part that smacks of amnesty is the ability to apply for this from the US with a fee for being here. It's a path, but a narrow and confined one.

"Read: Keep your head down and I'll make you a citizen." only if there is a massive increase in the LPRs granted each year ... yes, it is a road to citizenship, but it is the same road that we already have in law. Guest workers need to apply for LPR like everyone else. This is far different from the amnesty bill proposals from the Democrats, which would blanket convert 10 million illegals into Democrat-voting-zombie-citizens.

To me, the key is how many permanent resident visas will they allow each year. IMHO they should abolish the Diversity Visa quotients and the Chain Migration visas and keep the same caps. We will then fill those #s with hard workers.

The other real problem is this: IMHO, the proposal is hardly worse than the status quo, but the status quo is not acceptable. We need to enforce the laws on immigration.
82 posted on 01/08/2004 9:21:50 PM PST by WOSG (Freedom, Baby! Yeah!)
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To: sully777
I say that BUSH IS CRAZY LIKE A FOX on this issue.

He is angering his base but getting Fox on his side, Hispandering and in the end may not get any bill at all.

Congress would be nutz to touch this idea prior to 2005. And in 2005 .... let's make sure we have a Conservative majority to pass this:

http://www.house.gov/tancredo/Immigration/
83 posted on 01/08/2004 9:25:15 PM PST by WOSG (Freedom, Baby! Yeah!)
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To: grania
I would like to suggest that there be ways for jobs that non-citizens are now doing be put up for grabs. For instance, if it was learned that a non-citizen was doing a laundry job in SE MA, it should be in a special classified section of the newspaper. If a citizen claims it, the non-citizen should be sent home and the job should be providing wages for us.

Presently, illegal aliens have a major competitive advantage over legal residents: unscrupulous employers can rely upon them not to report violations of wage, safety, or other such laws. If illegal aliens were free to report such violations (and were widely known to be so), such freedom would undermine much of the reason employers would want to hire them in the first place.

And if people are offered the opportunity to stay in this country legally if and only if they report their employment, and yet they refuse to do so, then the act of having offered them legal residency may make it politically much easier to deport them.

84 posted on 01/08/2004 9:28:49 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: Stallone
People who are here illegally do not truly deserve an American future.

Based on what you write in your posts, all I can say is I've got some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell to you.
86 posted on 01/08/2004 9:34:25 PM PST by MissouriForBush
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To: snippy_about_it
A surprising threat to freedom-Campaign Finance Reform thread-day 29

87 posted on 01/08/2004 10:07:23 PM PST by The_Eaglet (Conservative chat on IRC: http://searchirc.com/search.php?F=exact&T=chan&N=33&I=conservative)
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To: MissouriForBush
The 55 mph speed limit was ignored by the vast majority of Americans. All were BREAKING THE LAW. It was a stupid and unworkable law.

The newly-revised speed limit acknowledges something else - REALITY.

For decades, illegal aliens have entered America and lawmakers looked the other way. Americans have embraced them, hired them and protected them. Without their support, they would have withered on the vine.

Now Bush alone did not cause this. YOUR MANY FELLOW AMERICANS DID.

You are asking George Bush to deport them all, right now. Or, just pass the buck and ignore it like everyone else. It is preposterous, but maybe you don't know it - yet.

This principled stand of suicide, the kind of tin-eared McClintock nonsense that put us into the margins for nearly a decade, is sheer political stupidity. Yeah, yeah, it is better to die than compromise...give it up.

Instead, Bush challenges the conventional thinking and saves the best of them, and loses the worst.

He has established a datum reference line, and can be hardcore on those that don't follow the rules from now on. Like raising the speed limit to a more workable level, Bush has accepted the reality that VOTING AMERICANS LIKE YOU hire these people. HE IS DEALING WITH THAT REALITY.

It is BRILLIANT, and GOP'ers failing to see this is not only expected, because most blind Conservatives could not understand the concept of an Arnold vs. the unelectable McClintock, but rather it is the ONLY likely initial response I would have expected.

I would be truly stunned if even 10% of Republicans understood the rationale now. That there is one other person on this board that 'gets it' absolutely astonishes me.

But I believe that in time this initiative will be seen as yet another stroke of bold strateregy by this remarkable President.

Thank God for President Bush.
88 posted on 01/08/2004 10:14:24 PM PST by Stallone (Warrior Freepers Rule The Earth)
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To: FUMETTI
Your letter to Tancredo.. excellent and you echo my sentiments exactly.
89 posted on 01/08/2004 10:19:22 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: sully777
"Logic of Bush is likened to a farmer looking the other way so that the FOX can enter the chicken coop, then giving the FOX legal status as "co-farmer" to protect the chickens from evil foxes.".. Excellent...
90 posted on 01/08/2004 10:21:28 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: Stallone
There is nothing bold or brilliant or "hardcore" about what Bush is doing. It is overall bad, bad policy -- plain and simple. It just saddens me that it is a bad policy move by a Republican, because I expected better.

91 posted on 01/08/2004 10:35:06 PM PST by MissouriForBush
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To: MissouriForBush
But it is brilliant, bold and innovative.

Take your time, it'll come to you.
92 posted on 01/08/2004 11:05:56 PM PST by Stallone (Warrior Freepers Rule The Earth)
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To: Stallone
It is bold, brilliant and innovative for RINOS.
93 posted on 01/08/2004 11:10:40 PM PST by MissouriForBush
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To: ReyDM
Bush just lost my vote. I will vote libertarian

Hell Libertarians want completly open borders. But go ahead.

94 posted on 01/08/2004 11:16:56 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: sully777
Excellent post.

I'm glad Bush revealed his true colors. I always like to know the truth about who I'm dealing with.

95 posted on 01/08/2004 11:19:07 PM PST by SerpentDove
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To: Zipporah
Thank you Zipporah...I hope that the switchboards are flooded in DC with people as passionate as us. It pains me to oppose President Bush on this issue, but the truly evil man here is KARL ROVE. He sucks!
96 posted on 01/08/2004 11:19:13 PM PST by FUMETTI (Howard Dean: Clown)
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To: sully777
Truth is Bush has revealed his true colors as a liberal but he also revealed his vulnerability for reelection, peeing off conservatives

Dream on.

97 posted on 01/08/2004 11:32:15 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Stallone
You say...

"The 55 mph speed limit was ignored by the vast majority of Americans. All were BREAKING THE LAW. It was a stupid and unworkable law. "

Is speeding and risking lives and increasing road rage better than? And BTW the law proved to be worthwhile because it saved lives. It was only raised because the oil companies wanted it raised. I never went more than 5-10 miles over the speed limit in my life; police tell me they won't pull over anyone doing less than 10 over unless in a school zone.

You say...
The newly-revised speed limit acknowledges something else - REALITY.

REALITY???? Maybe we should stop the screening of all air passengers because we failed on 9-11. RIGHT? Of course we now are TOUGHENING our screening and succeeding because no 9-11 has happened again. So strengthening our boarders and deporting those who broke the law is the best way to deal with this problem....and **THAT** IS REALITY!

You say...

"For decades, illegal aliens have entered America and lawmakers looked the other way. Americans have embraced them, hired them and protected them. Without their support, they would have withered on the vine."

Bullshit! You underestimate America and Americans. If some native born American is poor and need to feed their family, he/she WILL pick beans or clean toilets if they have to! And that will be true once it becomes harder to procure social services! Teenagers will love to work in hotels and pick vegetables. They don't NEED the minimum wage.

You say...

"Now Bush alone did not cause this. YOUR MANY FELLOW AMERICANS DID."

So we should throw the baby out with the bathwater and shrug our shoulders?

You say,

"You are asking George Bush to deport them all, right now. Or, just pass the buck and ignore it like everyone else. It is preposterous, but maybe you don't know it - yet."

That will be extremely popular and will be hard, but the only reason it is "preposterous" to you is that the INS is in shambles and the boarder patrol people are urged now NOT to arrest illegals! Gray Davis wanted to give them free college education and driver's licenses! Take away those incentives!!!

You say,

"This principled stand of suicide, the kind of tin-eared McClintock nonsense that put us into the margins for nearly a decade, is sheer political stupidity. Yeah, yeah, it is better to die than compromise...give it up."

No YOU give it up. You want our culture to be crushed and our traditions altered and the landscape so unimaginable that America as we know it will be another Latin country. Good ... because I won't give it up, buddy!

You say,

"Instead, Bush challenges the conventional thinking and saves the best of them, and loses the worst."

They are ALL bad if they broke the law! DUHHHHHH!!!!

You say,

"He has established a datum reference line, and can be hardcore on those that don't follow the rules from now on. Like raising the speed limit to a more workable level, Bush has accepted the reality that VOTING AMERICANS LIKE YOU hire these people. HE IS DEALING WITH THAT REALITY."

Well, if companies are fined bigtime for hiring illegals, it may hit them in their pocketbooks to stop. They have to comply with hundreds of regulations, so another one is not going to make them go bust.

You say,

"It is BRILLIANT, and GOP'ers failing to see this is not only expected, because most blind Conservatives could not understand the concept of an Arnold vs. the unelectable McClintock, but rather it is the ONLY likely initial response I would have expected."

You are the one who cannot see.

You say,

"I would be truly stunned if even 10% of Republicans understood the rationale now. That there is one other person on this board that 'gets it' absolutely astonishes me."

Buddy, three quarters of America oppose this. Screw 10% of the GOP...this means that Democrats and everyone else is opposed to this measure. THAT is reality!!!!

You say,

"But I believe that in time this initiative will be seen as yet another stroke of bold strateregy by this remarkable President."

And it will fail. The people will not forget this.

You say

"Thank God for President Bush."

Yes, and may the Devil take out Karl Rove.

98 posted on 01/08/2004 11:34:47 PM PST by FUMETTI (Howard Dean: Clown)
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To: Zipporah
FIRST: Consider all the illegal immigrants in this country, the HUGE task of Homeland Security and trying to FIND all these people, card them, and keep track of them.

SECOND: Consider the fact that once they have a "3 year VISA to work here" they will pay taxes, thus taking some of the BURDEN off of all of us as tax payers paying for what up until now has been TOTALLY FREE health care.

THIRD: IF this is done correctly, and the FAMILY members are made to OBEY our laws, or they AND ALL THEIR families will be DEPORTED FOR VIOLATING our laws, this could have a POSITIVE influence on GANG related, and DRUG related activities.

So, instead of having a KNEE JERK reaction to this proposal, I suggest we think of how this could work.

LEGAL Immigrants DO deserve to be here. Other than my Cherokee relatives, I have ancestors who got here legally and worked their way through our system.

Those who get the three year work Visa's, could apply for permanent citizenship. If they LIVE by our rules and OBEY the laws of the land, and are good citizens, then they too can become Americans. Like MY Ancestors did, and MOST Americans Ancestors have.

Personally, I think this solves a HUGE problem. Because we will NEVER be able to HIRE enough agents to track down all the illegals in our country.

Once this is done, those found to NOT be carded, can be arrested and deported.

We still must address the border problem. But at least we can finger print and ID those who are here illegally NOW. This is NOT amnesty,.. and like I said, we can weed out the chaff (sp).

Just MHO. We are both still looking at this, but I think people are "reacting" and not looking into this in it's entirety.

It could be an act of genius. Which wouldn't surprise me, considering this President and his administration.

We still think history will prove that considering the proliferation of terrorism worldwide that this administration truly acted brilliantly.

Considering the LACK of any immigration policy for well over a decade (more like two decades) this is a necessary policy to catch up with "who" is in our country.

Once it is done, those pulled over for traffic violations, etc., can be deported or "held" for not being in our country with the proper "papers". Something that has been lacking for a LONG time.

People keep crying for "something" to be done, then when it is.. they WHINE about it.





99 posted on 01/08/2004 11:50:38 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Remember_Salamis
Sorry, disagree with ya on this one.
100 posted on 01/08/2004 11:56:24 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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