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To: paper avalanche
Your number 6 totally ignores the main problem: the welfare state. The amount of "social services" consumed by illegals is staggering. They've totally overrun our hospitals, schools, etc. They are net consumers of taxes by a huge margin.

Many come here "yearning to eat free". We're tired of it.
21 posted on 01/08/2004 6:14:48 AM PST by jimt
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To: jimt
Many come here "yearning to eat free". We're tired of it.

The fruits of the Welfare State look mighty tasty to the invaders.

25 posted on 01/08/2004 6:20:46 AM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: jimt
Your number 6 totally ignores the main problem: the welfare state. The amount of "social services" consumed by illegals is staggering. They've totally overrun our hospitals, schools, etc. They are net consumers of taxes by a huge margin.

Yes, they are huge net consumers of taxes, as I wrote... just go back and read what I wrote about the California budget deficit. There are lots of ways to address that, like for example only providing emergency government services to work-permit holders (e.g. hospital ER yes, welfare or free education no), and of course making them all legal in some way and therefore fully taxed. I actually think Bush is coming out with this proposal now is at least in part at Arnold's urging, because Arnold needs this to fix the state budget.

Many come here "yearning to eat free". We're tired of it.

Actually, that is not the primary reason. Sure, they'll take handouts if we give them handouts, but in my experience the reason they come here is because it is a much better place to live. Mexico, let's face it, doesn't *have* laws and is just generally a pestillential hellhole. Most of the immigrants I know are extremely hard-working and industrious. A $6/hour job in the US (*without* welfare) is basically heaven to them, because they have *hope*.

28 posted on 01/08/2004 6:29:54 AM PST by paper avalanche
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To: jimt
Your number 6 totally ignores the main problem: the welfare state.

That is the source of the problem that NO ONE will address, if we are to solve the problem, we must remove the incentives.

29 posted on 01/08/2004 6:32:11 AM PST by c-b 1
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