Saturn 5 Blueprints Safely in Storage

space.com ^ | 13 March 2000 | By Michael Paine

[Dead Dog]

I'm about the same age, I only know of it from talking with the "Old Guys".

Weren't they worried about the actual force of launch hurting people and structures MILES away?

Screw 'Em! Were going to SPACE! :)

[Frank_Discussion]

Neat!

[wideminded]

Some of the old timers at NASA said you felt it more than heard it. LOTS OF BASS!!

When I was a kid I read a book about rockets that said we would never go to the moon because the booster that would be needed would be so large that the sound could kill people 30 miles away.

[RightWhale]

Did Algore write that?

[Orangedog]

Cool, now I need to start looking for frames!

[FreedomCalls]

They could do even better if they had a mission requirement to lift so much.

"If you build it they will come." Haven't we had a whole slate of little puny missions to Mars because we can't get enough throw-weight behind a bigger craft? Real soon the President is going to announce a return to the Moon with a permanent base. They will need a 100-ton lifter and more.

[Orangedog]

There's always room for Jello.

[FreedomCalls]

I originally wanted to frame a set of blueprints of "the gadget" that was set off during the Manhattan Project

Teller supposedly patented the staged Teller-Ulam fusion process. You could look up the patent. No I don't know the number, though I did read it in a book a long time ago.

[RightWhale]

Make your own out of actual rocket parts. There's all kinds of rocket junk around. Check your local art dept for metalsmith artists if you have a university nearby.

[snopercod]

Thanks.

[RightWhale]

The Mars rockets aren't Saturn Vs, but they aren't all that small either. A manned Mars mission would take a lot more than one Saturn V.

[snopercod]

Forget the blueprints. The "can do" attitude is what America lacks today.

[Orangedog]

I'll worry about finishing my downstairs bathroom first. So many rooms to demolish, so little time.

[PAR35]

Actually, they are called Boeing now.

Not all of them. Chrysler was bought by the Germans, and IBM is still IBM. LTV went bankrupt, as did Johns Manville. Texas Instruments is still around, but they don't make transistors any more. I don't know about Chicago Rawhide.

Review the long list of contractors and major subs here: http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4206/app-e.htm

[El Gato]

Did you feel it? That was thousands of dead Cold War Warriors turning over in their graves!

Maybe, but the Russians were good at building BIG rocket motors. They had to be, because all their stuff, includiing their H-bombs, were HEAVY, compared to equivalent US designs of a technical generation earlier.

[orionblamblam]

> scanning from paper to image file is labor-intensive

You have no idea. This is an expense virtually no company is willing to undertake (scanning millions of pages? Sheesh), especially if they have extensive files. And having seen NASA and DTIC documents that they've doen this with... you don't WANT 'em to. The resolution goes straight to hell. They are scanned in B&W, and saved as low-rez PDFs. Many drawings simply disappear.

[El Gato]

I originally wanted to frame a set of blueprints of "the gadget" that was set off during the Manhattan Project, but I knew that was too much to ask for.

Not really. The stuff you couldn't get would be the process specs, like how to refine the uranium, or forge/machine the plutonium without killing yourself. The drawings of the device itself are no big deal, and are probably available on the internet... if one knew where to look. You might start at www.fas.org. :)

[RightWhale]

We have had excellent results with our local property records including subdivision plats. 1000s of drawings--many very hard to read in original--have turned out most excellently.

[orionblamblam]

Nova? Fagh! A mere trifle. I see your Nova, and raise you a Sea Dragon:
http://up-ship.com/apr/images/banv4n6.jpg

1,000 tons to orbit.

And even better, Boeings AMLLV:
http://up-ship.com/apr/images/banv5n1.jpg

Both ships 75 feet in diameter. Those solids on the AMLLV? 260 inch diameter. Maximum of twelve, for more than 3,000,000 pounds to LEO. Liftoff thrust was somethign like 156,000,000 pounds....

[orionblamblam]

The difference is... company performance is probably related to having good, clear records of those properties. The Sirius Cybernetics Corporation is unlikely to have much actual practical need for good, clear drawings of their T-5 Aerial Hunter-Killers from 40 years ago...