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Boy Scouts, ACLU Settle Land Lease Lawsuit
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Posted on 01/08/2004 2:53:45 PM PST by RonF
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San Diego settles for a little under $1 million with the ACLU and bows out. The BSA is on it's own regarding the legality of their lease with San Diego for a section of a public park they have spent large sums of money improving and that they allow the public to use.
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01/08/2004 2:53:47 PM PST
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RonF
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posted on
01/08/2004 2:56:27 PM PST
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(I'd rather be sleeping. Let's get this over with so I can go back to sleep!)
To: RonF
"While it may be legally acceptable for the Scouts to privately discriminate against so many boys and their families,How many is so many? How many kids are there that are the sons of atheists, or are open about their sexuality during youth activities?
it has never been acceptable for the city to bar those families from a public park,"
Which it doesn't; non-Scouting groups have been and are welcome to use the facilities in question.
"Government has the responsibility to treat everyone equally and fairly."
Including the BSA.
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posted on
01/08/2004 2:56:34 PM PST
by
RonF
To: RonF
"While it may be legally acceptable for the Scouts to privately discriminate against so many boys and their families, it has never been acceptable for the city to bar those families from a public park," said ACLU co-counsel Mark Danis. Did the city bar a gay scout troop from the park?
To: RonF
an awful lot of these judges really need to be working the graveyard shift at wal-mart stocking shelves for $6.00 an hour...most aclu lawyers aren't qualified to earn that much!!
To: RonF
The thought processes of the ACLU defy explanation
To: RonF
the city will pay the ACLU's attorneys $790,000 for legal fees incurred.... "The Boy Scouts cannot have it both ways," said ACLU volunteer attorney M.E. Stephens.
Am I missing something? How can legal fees be racked up by "volunteer" attorneys? Do they just volunteer to only make $150.00 per hour instead of the $1,500.00 per hour they could realize chasing ambulances?
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posted on
01/08/2004 3:09:18 PM PST
by
lafroste
To: RonF
The people of San Diego do, however, have to pay for the ACLU's bigotry against the Boy Scouts.
To: RonF
The American Crippled Liberties Union must some how, some way, be officially labeled as a subversive organization. Yes, we know they are, but we've got to figure out a way to sanction it. What they espouse isn't a matter of free speech - it's the planned destruction of a culture, a society, and a country. They must be prevented from using the Consitiution as a means of it's own destruction.
To: LiteKeeper
"The thought processes of the ACLU defy explanation"
How about, Anything that advances our agenda is OK, even if it seems illogical and demented.
Sort of like the Marxist "ends justify the means" concept.
If they can hurt the Scouts by claiming that they are a religion (thus the Church and State claim to use the 1st Amend.) then they do it.
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posted on
01/08/2004 3:31:08 PM PST
by
DBrow
To: RonF
ACLU's attorneys are among Satan's most valuable minions.
To: RonF
Will this have any effect on the similar case involving the Berkeley Marina and the Sea Scouts?
To: RonF
Funny. Here in Iowa they didn't see anything wrong with Mujslims leasing federal land to build a camp for Muslim young men. Taxpayers will also be providing roads, rangers, etc.
To: RonF
"First Amendment guarantees of separation of church and state..."
First of all, I agree with the concept of seperation of church and state. BUT...the First Admendment does NOT mention anything about "SEPERATION" of church and state. That was borne out of one of Thomas Jefferson's letters.
Check it out.
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posted on
01/08/2004 4:19:59 PM PST
by
theyibby
To: RonF
Ann Coulter said it best:
"Questioning whether gay Scoutmasters should be taking 14-year-old boys on overnight sleepovers in the woods is "out of the mainstream."
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posted on
01/08/2004 4:35:44 PM PST
by
Michael.SF.
(Would the ACLU allow Roman Polanski to be a Girl Scout leader?)
To: DBrow
I had a friend in the Boy Scouts who announced to the Scoutmaster that he was an atheist. Then there was the following exchange...
Scoutmaster: "Do you believe that there is a right and wrong?"
Scout: "Yes."
Scoutmaster: "Then as far as I'm concerned, you're not an atheist."
Scout: "Oh, OK."
Such was my experience of "religious intolerance" in the Boy Scouts.
To: RonF
When the case goes before the 9th Circus the BSA will lose, when it goes before the USSC, BSA is batting 1.0 and the ACLU and BSA haters will lose.
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posted on
01/08/2004 5:13:06 PM PST
by
SandRat
(Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
To: SandRat
When the case goes before the 9th Circus the BSA will lose, when it goes before the USSC, BSA is batting 1.0 and the ACLU and BSA haters will lose. The USSC did decide on the BSA's behalf that they are a private organization and therefore have the right to discriminate.
In this case (should it continue) the BSA is in the position of defending San Diego's lease of the land at a nominal rent. The city has bowed out and will not defend its own actions. I imagine the issue comes down to whether the city can lend its resources to a private (though benevolent) organization which discriminates.
San Diego has entry in its municipal code which might apply:
City Facilities. It shall be an unlawful service practice for any person to deny any individual the full and equal enjoyment of, or to place different terms and conditions on the availability of the use of any City facility on the basis (in whole or in part) of such individual?s sexual orientation or gender identity.
I haven't seen the suit so I'm not sure what its basis is. There may be other city, state, or federal laws that could apply. I'm not sure that this is a case that'd make it all the way to the USSC. It does have relevance to dozens, maybe hundreds, of BSA leases and accomodations.
To: SandRat
That's what I'm thinking.
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posted on
01/08/2004 7:51:52 PM PST
by
RonF
To: Looking for Diogenes
Both in this example and in many areas nationally, the BSA has put large amounts of money, materials, and labor in improving leaseholdings. Are they now to be deprived of their use, while people who made no contribution to them get all the benefit? I think that's neither law nor justice.
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posted on
01/08/2004 7:57:46 PM PST
by
RonF
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