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To: Visalia
"Treason??? Come on. I don't like this crazy plan either, but it does not border on treason. That's just plain nuts."

On one hand I can agree with you, but on the other...what do you call the act of sacrificing the best interest of America in order to gain the votes of a growing illegal population who has the best interests of their own country in mind?

I would throw it into the same Pot as Clintoon-China relations...
11 posted on 01/08/2004 4:47:00 PM PST by Dr. Marten ("My affections are first for my own country,and then, generally, for all mankind" ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Dr. Marten
Hi, Doc! I just tend to see treason as being more of what we can expect from the Commiecrat Party.
18 posted on 01/08/2004 4:52:53 PM PST by Visalia
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To: Dr. Marten
I have got to jump in here and make a couple of points that people intent on jumping off the cliff are forgetting.

1)It's a proposal. A starting point of the debate, which we desperately need to have.

2)This proposal is not likely to pass this year, if ever.

3) If a bill dealing with immigration ever does emerge from Congress, you can bet there will be a lot of changes and it will not closely resemble this opening proposal. It may emerge better, or worse. The only way for it to get worse is for Democrats to gain control of Congress and the WH.

I am not saying Bush shouldn't be taken to task for some of what's here. But we all know that Bush is pretty adept at strategery.

24 posted on 01/08/2004 5:09:17 PM PST by Trust but Verify (Will work for W)
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To: Dr. Marten
On one hand I can agree with you, but on the other...what do you call the act of sacrificing the best interest of America in order to gain the votes of a growing illegal population who has the best interests of their own country in mind?

You fell into that trap that once they obtain this "temporary work visa" they're automatically citizens. This work visa is not a drivers license, nor is it a voter card. Many states require drivers licenses to vote. The ones held to account are the businesses (large or small) who currently employ ILLEGALS. The ones who want to stay here to make a living will go out and apply for citizenship. The others who possess the card will get kicked the hell out by the business owner who hired them and the US government who granted the card, once the card expires. If the business owner doesn't kick them out, the US Government will penalize them and the illegal with the expired card.

50 posted on 01/08/2004 9:36:43 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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