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To: Dr. Marten
Reagan's amnesty, granted in 1986, legalized 2.7 million immigrants.

Dang, all our conservative heros are traitors! /sarcasm

Some facts about immigrants.

  1. The total number of immigrants per year (including illegal and refugees) is somewhat less than it was in the peak years at the start of the 20th century, when the US population was less half as large its current population. The rate of immigration relative to the population is low rather than high. Immigration as a proportion of population is about a third of what is was in the peak years in the early part of the 20th century..
  2. In the early part to of the 20th century (1910-1920) the major debate in politics was that immigrants form southern Europe were going to destroy this country.  Those sneaky "I"talians and the dirty Irishman would bring this country to ruination. It seems the hatred has shifted to immigrants from Mexico?
  3. The U.S. government has forecast a shortage of 20 million workers by 2026 due to the aging baby boom and job growth.  Under the conditions that we now confront, we should be very carefully focused on the contribution which skilled people from abroad, (as well as) unskilled people from abroad, can contribute to this country, as they have for generation after generation.
  4. By the year 2050 according to Census projections racial and ethnic minorities will outnumber non-Hispanic whites. In the next fifty years this demographic shift will transform politics and business.  If us conservatives  lose the Hispanic vote, then we lose the nation.
  5. In the last decade hi tech professional immigrants have made extraordinary contributions to cutting edge US industries. It is estimated that almost one quarter of Silicon valley firms were established by immigrants. 
  6. Businesses founded by immigrants are a source of substantial economic and fiscal gain for U.S. citizens. Ten high-tech firms founded by immigrants (Intel, Sun Microsystems, Computer Associates, Solectron Lam Research, LSI Logic, AST Computer, Wang Laboratories, Amtel, Gupta Technologies, and Cypress Semiconductor) generated $32 billion in revenues in 2002. These and other businesses started by immigrants add at least another $29 billion to the total amount of taxes paid by immigrants.
  7. Immigrant entrepreneurs have revitalized neighborhood; from Dominicans in Manhattan's Washington Heights to Cubans in Miami's Little Havana, Hispanic immigrants have transformed their communities into thriving economically dynamic strongholds.  Of particular note is the resurgence of small business, which thirty years ago was in decay. Several researchers have suggested that immigration has encouraged the entrepreneurial drive of the total population, significantly contributing to this transformation.
  8. The average education of new immigrants has been increasing with each successive generation. The proportion of adult immigrants with 8 or fewer years of education has been decreasing and the proportion of adult immigrants with 16 years or more has been increasing. The proportion of immigrants with bachelor 's or postgraduate degrees is much higher than the proportion of the native labor force.
  9. Illegal aliens contribute about as much to the public coffers in taxes as they receive in benefits. New data suggests the undocumented pay about 46 percent as much in taxes as do natives, but use about 45 percent as much in services. A poll of the most respected economists found a consensus that both legal and illegal immigrants are beneficial economically.  However overall immigrants fare well in terms of income with adult, foreign-born, naturalized citizens actually have higher adjusted gross incomes (averaging $40,502) than families with U.S.-born citizens only ($35,249).  There goes the low wage myth.
  10. Most immigrants arrive in the United States in the prime of their working years. More than 70 percent of immigrants are over the age of 18 when they arrive in the United States. That means there are roughly 17.5 million immigrants in the United States today whose education and upbringing were paid for by the citizens of the sending country, not American taxpayers. The windfall to the United States of obtaining this human capital at no expense to American taxpayers is roughly $1.43 trillion. This makes immigrants a fiscal bargain for our country.
  11. Everyone knows the contribution of immigrants to the world war II effort and history. We would have lost World War II without an immigrant contribution.  Albert Einstein and his little Atomic Bomb, Welding Technology (we a stole two of these scientist from a German prison camp in France) that was required to build our war machine, A. Edward Teller the Manhattan project, B. Enrico Fermi he was instrumental in creating the first controlled nuclear fission chain reaction, A. Felix Frankfurter he served on the Supreme Court of the U.S. for 23 years, B. Andrew Carnegie eventually controlling 25% of American iron and steel production, C. Thomas Mann was one of the most acclaimed novelists of the 20th Century, ect...
  12. According to the most comprehensive study ever done on immigrants, the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) found that in all their combined roles, immigrants make indispensable contributions to our economy. They compose an increasingly essential proportion of our workforce. Through their tax payments, they help finance the costs of schools, health care, roads, welfare payments, Social Security, and the nation’s defense.
  13. New immigrants are more concentrated than natives in the youthful labor force ages when people contribute more to the public coffer than they draw from it. Of all the important facts about immigration relevant to its economic effects, this is the most important and the one which is most consistent." (Cato Institute and National Immigration Forum).  Of particular note is the resurgence of small business, which thirty years ago was in decay. Several researchers have suggested that immigration has encouraged the entrepreneurial drive of the total population, significantly contributing to this transformation.

25 posted on 01/08/2004 5:11:41 PM PST by BushCountry (To the last, I will grapple with Democrats. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at Liberals.)
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To: BushCountry
Some facts about immigrants.>>>>>>>>

For the SECOND time today, PLEASE PROVIDE your LINK......

and WHY do you keep posting your *facts* about IMMIGRANTS on threads that are clearly discussing ILLEGAL immigrants, & the BURDEN they are to taxpayers.

Reagan's amnesty, granted in 1986, legalized 2.7 million immigrants.>>>>>>>

LOL.....he amnestized 2.7 MILLION ILLEGALS & some say 50% immediately signed up for welfare (do your own search)

55 posted on 01/08/2004 10:01:10 PM PST by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: BushCountry
I hadn't read your summary before. It's very good.

One thing people seem to ignore is that the birth rate of native born Americans (of any color) is not sufficient to keep up with our future employment needs or to contribute to Social Security. It's higher than the European birth rate, certainly, but will not generate either enough workers or enough consumers to keep the engine running. We need immigrants - we've just got to rationalize immigration and try to achieve the greatest benefit from it.

Bush's plan is not perfect and will probably get a lot of tinkering, which I'm sure he expects. But I think Bush deserves praise for at least making an attempt to deal with immigration, something that nobody else has dared to even try. Even Reagan simply granted an amnesty but made no changes, and now the situation has become even more complicated (particularly since we also have to assume that some of these people are coming here not to make a better life for themselves, but to ruin our life through terrorist acts). So I think Bush should get lots of credit for grappling with the problem.

It's not going to win him any Hispanic votes, and he knows that - they're in the pockets of the Dems, who've already got their propaganda machines running. But I think he's doing it because he thinks it's the right thing to do and knows that it is a problem urgently in need of fixing.
87 posted on 01/11/2004 9:47:53 AM PST by livius
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